Emmy Award–Winning Hollywood Actress Karina Michel on Insecurity, Purpose & GOD’s Plan | John Giftah Podcast

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0:41 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fuel for the Soul with John Gifta.

0:46 Speaker 2: I'm so so happy to have a very special guest

0:49 Speaker 2: with us, and she's an Emmy Award winning active producer

0:53 Speaker 2: all the way from Hollywood. Karina Michael, thank you so

0:57 Speaker 2: much for joining us. It's such a joy and pleasure.

1:00 Speaker 2: You're not just an actor and producer, you're the host

1:04 Speaker 2: of an award winning podcast, Coffee with Karina. You've done

1:09 Speaker 2: many amazing things, including in big names like Rolling Stone

1:13 Speaker 2: and all of those places. So it's such a joy

1:15 Speaker 2: and a pleasure in honor to be with you, and

1:18 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today.

1:20 Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1:22 Speaker 4: I'm honored to be on your show, probably just as much,

1:24 Speaker 4: if not more so.

1:26 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, appreciate you having me today.

1:29 Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

1:30 Speaker 2: Thank you so to get started even though you're from Hollywood,

1:34 Speaker 2: but it's amazing to know that you actually have a

1:37 Speaker 2: connection to Bollywood in the project called Scared. I think

1:41 Speaker 2: it's started out in twenty twenty three.

1:43 Speaker 5: So can you.

1:45 Speaker 2: Get started with something that you can share on your

1:49 Speaker 2: connection to India and Bollywood.

1:52 Speaker 4: Yes, I had, I guess the pleasure of working on that,

1:56 Speaker 4: playing Cindy, and it was joy. Everybody was wonderful to

2:01 Speaker 4: work with on there, and I can't wait till it

2:04 Speaker 4: comes out. I hear they're getting pretty close to you're

2:07 Speaker 4: finishing and they're in the editing phase, and yeah, I

2:11 Speaker 4: can't wait to see it. That was wonderful and it's funny.

2:14 Speaker 4: I also worked years ago when I was in Hollywood,

2:17 Speaker 4: probably about twenty years ago now, I worked on a

2:21 Speaker 4: film called.

2:22 Speaker 3: Comback ish Am I saying that right, I don't know,

2:25 Speaker 3: do you recognize that?

2:26 Speaker 5: Okay?

2:27 Speaker 3: And it was great and I couldn't believe. I thought

2:30 Speaker 3: it was the coolest thing I've ever.

2:31 Speaker 4: Seen, you know, the singing and the dancing, and I

2:35 Speaker 4: just remember thinking to myself, why don't we do this here?

2:37 Speaker 3: This is so much more fun than of those you

2:39 Speaker 3: know that are just just the acting. I went to

2:42 Speaker 3: music and you know, the theater and I loved it.

2:45 Speaker 3: So I love all things Hollywood.

2:48 Speaker 2: So what is the thing the dainty quarter attention about

2:51 Speaker 2: working on an Indian based project.

2:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, first and foremost it was a good

2:58 Speaker 4: friend of mine, Maria who Marie, who I have worked

3:02 Speaker 4: with on several projects, and she actually just called me

3:05 Speaker 4: one day and said, Karina, they're looking for someone to

3:09 Speaker 4: play Sydney in this and it's and I think I

3:12 Speaker 4: had a couple of days to prep. I mean, it

3:14 Speaker 4: was very quick and they sent me the script and

3:17 Speaker 4: I always said, yeah.

3:18 Speaker 3: Sign me up. I love playing this part.

3:21 Speaker 4: You know. It was a lot of fun and you know,

3:24 Speaker 4: really good people. I think that's one of one of

3:28 Speaker 4: the main things that I look for now about working

3:31 Speaker 4: on a project.

3:32 Speaker 3: Who's doing it?

3:33 Speaker 4: What's the reputation? Like, you know, how creative can I be?

3:38 Speaker 4: And it was great, really was.

3:40 Speaker 2: Before we day bore Tennis. Something fun about yourself, some

3:45 Speaker 2: character trade that you just feed as unusual or something

3:49 Speaker 2: that you enjoy doing that's weird.

3:53 Speaker 4: So I love that you said fun because I feel

3:55 Speaker 4: like probably most people close to me would say that

3:59 Speaker 4: I find the in most things, you know, even if

4:02 Speaker 4: it's something I don't know where you're supposed to be

4:05 Speaker 4: very very, you know, sitting and no smile. I would

4:07 Speaker 4: be the person that found something funny. And I know

4:09 Speaker 4: you have to solve that, but but I just say playful.

4:12 Speaker 4: You know, I'm very you know, I'm just lighthearted, playful

4:16 Speaker 4: kind of person.

4:17 Speaker 3: I find the fun.

4:21 Speaker 2: One of the things that I do and decide sometimes

4:23 Speaker 2: is that I come up with jokes and humor comedy

4:27 Speaker 2: as well.

4:27 Speaker 5: So I really like that. So you do, I do.

4:32 Speaker 4: I think it's the way that it brings people together universally.

4:37 Speaker 4: You know, everybody around understands, you know, they see the

4:41 Speaker 4: humor and things, and you know, sometimes humor is a

4:43 Speaker 4: little different and different parts of the world.

4:45 Speaker 3: But but I think it's something that bring us together.

4:49 Speaker 3: You know. Yes, comedies too. Comedy is one of my favorite.

4:54 Speaker 5: Have you ever worked on any comedy projects?

4:57 Speaker 3: I have. I've worked on quite a few over the years,

5:00 Speaker 3: and I want to do more.

5:02 Speaker 4: That's something recently that I've decided, I guess in the

5:06 Speaker 4: past year that I want I really want to do

5:09 Speaker 4: more of it because you know, it's it's fun, it's

5:12 Speaker 4: it's lighthearted.

5:13 Speaker 3: Just like I said, I enjoyed that kind of thing.

5:16 Speaker 4: And it's like, there's enough things in life that can

5:20 Speaker 4: be depressing your heart to deal with. I don't want

5:22 Speaker 4: to work on something in that, you know, mood all

5:26 Speaker 4: have to be in that, you know.

5:27 Speaker 3: Bring for those feelings all day sometimes you know us.

5:31 Speaker 4: So I think it's fun, especially to make people smile,

5:34 Speaker 4: to make them laugh.

5:36 Speaker 3: That's what it's all about.

5:38 Speaker 2: So since you started off talking about comedy, I just

5:42 Speaker 2: want to take my excus with you. So like if

5:47 Speaker 2: you wanted to think of my angle, let's see who

5:50 Speaker 2: is God?

5:51 Speaker 5: Would you be able to answer the.

5:53 Speaker 3: Question who is God?

5:56 Speaker 4: For me?

5:59 Speaker 5: Just a price there, So it's a.

6:03 Speaker 3: Okay, who is God? I don't know who is God.

6:08 Speaker 2: I think God is Adam's son, because you know, God

6:12 Speaker 2: is able more the name both.

6:18 Speaker 3: I got it. That's funny.

6:21 Speaker 2: I write these kind of stupid jokes sometimes, like a

6:25 Speaker 2: note about a guy who went to his parents his

6:28 Speaker 2: pastor and said, my parents are not letting me be

6:31 Speaker 2: like Jesus. And then the pastor said, what do you mean?

6:33 Speaker 2: Then he said no, I wanted to colorhim my half

6:35 Speaker 2: for Good Friday. And the pastor said, what is coloring

6:38 Speaker 2: your hand go to do to being like Jesus? And

6:41 Speaker 2: he said no, I heard that Jesus died on Good

6:43 Speaker 2: Friday and I wanted to do the same.

6:45 Speaker 5: So I love that one.

6:49 Speaker 3: That's that's really good. So you're sounded, thank you, thank you.

6:58 Speaker 2: So I'll come into some more depth to all the

7:02 Speaker 2: work that you've done. You you know, you accomplished a

7:05 Speaker 2: lot of things. Is there something that I missed out

7:08 Speaker 2: while I was introducing you? I know I mentioned about

7:10 Speaker 2: the podcast, your acting and your production and the Emmy

7:15 Speaker 2: Awards and the Rolling Stones. So is there something else

7:18 Speaker 2: about you that you would like to highlight?

7:22 Speaker 5: Yeah?

7:23 Speaker 3: I think something, well, something that I love to do.

7:26 Speaker 4: Is really connect with people, you know, and placed them

7:29 Speaker 4: in a positive way.

7:30 Speaker 3: And I didn't know that for a long time.

7:32 Speaker 4: And I guess maybe I through the acting or the producing,

7:36 Speaker 4: you know, with the films that I was making.

7:39 Speaker 3: But I was just doing that because I was passionate

7:40 Speaker 3: about it, you.

7:41 Speaker 4: Know, I didn't realize that I was gonna you know,

7:44 Speaker 4: be able to influence so many others, so that that

7:47 Speaker 4: was really a positive thing. But with the podcast, which

7:51 Speaker 4: I love, I feel like that's kind of my I

7:54 Speaker 4: don't know if I should say God given talent, you know,

7:56 Speaker 4: but that's I love just in ale to sit down

7:59 Speaker 4: and have a common station. I'm very casual and you know,

8:04 Speaker 4: just like we're sitting anywhere. It could be anywhere. It

8:06 Speaker 4: doesn't have to be in a studio. What you can get,

8:11 Speaker 4: you know, or help the other personal with a lot

8:14 Speaker 4: of times maybe they may need something like we were

8:16 Speaker 4: talking before the interviews and maybe you can have exchange

8:19 Speaker 4: and it's something so powerful, you know.

8:22 Speaker 3: So I'm really excited to be.

8:24 Speaker 4: Able to bring together maybe my skills on camera or

8:29 Speaker 4: whatever that may be, and do that with a podcast.

8:33 Speaker 3: And I feel like it's so cool because with.

8:35 Speaker 4: The podcast, you can reach you know, a worldwide audience

8:38 Speaker 4: so easily, and.

8:42 Speaker 2: Everybody has a unique gift, everyone has a unique talent.

8:45 Speaker 2: In fact, my major book called Aulia Purpose, which is

8:49 Speaker 2: about finding a book in life, it actually became Anomber

8:53 Speaker 2: one best seller on Amazon in India. One of the

8:56 Speaker 2: things that I always try to drive into people is

8:58 Speaker 2: that everyone has a unique calling and the purpose, Like

9:02 Speaker 2: you have a very unique voice, Like you can speak

9:05 Speaker 2: to people that in a way that I can't. I

9:07 Speaker 2: can speak to people in a way that you can't.

9:10 Speaker 2: And the podcast is one of the ways. Like I

9:13 Speaker 2: really like the way you said talked about you know,

9:15 Speaker 2: having that conversations with people is a way where you actually,

9:19 Speaker 2: you know, pour your heart out and you share your

9:22 Speaker 2: heart out to people, right, because sometimes most of what

9:26 Speaker 2: we see on media is all like scripted and produced

9:31 Speaker 2: and this is how it's supposed to look like. But

9:33 Speaker 2: then it's it's the being ourselves, you know, sharing our

9:38 Speaker 2: heart that is what will actually connect with people. That's

9:41 Speaker 2: what will actually make a difference.

9:43 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, I.

9:45 Speaker 4: Mean I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel

9:48 Speaker 4: like I feel the exact same way. My favorite conversation

9:52 Speaker 4: that come to mind of everything that I've done in

9:55 Speaker 4: the past few years or maybe on like documentaries. Right,

9:59 Speaker 4: it's not planned, you know when somebody comes, you know,

10:02 Speaker 4: to the scene and we're like, you know, would you

10:04 Speaker 4: want to be on camera? And all of a sudden

10:06 Speaker 4: they have this outpouring and you know, it's it's just incredible.

10:10 Speaker 4: What can happen when sometimes unplanned. It can be way

10:13 Speaker 4: way bigger than something you've ever I mean imagined to

10:17 Speaker 4: put in, you know, to put into a project.

10:19 Speaker 3: So and it can be anywhere. It could be in

10:21 Speaker 3: some of my favorites.

10:22 Speaker 4: You know, we're in places where you know, on a studio,

10:26 Speaker 4: not a planned place.

10:27 Speaker 5: So hmm, that's true, true, guys.

10:32 Speaker 2: So those people watching, I just want to use this

10:34 Speaker 2: opportunity to tell you, you know, you have a voice,

10:37 Speaker 2: you have a purpose, you have a call, just like Edina,

10:40 Speaker 2: just like myself. You know, we're using the podcast platform,

10:44 Speaker 2: we are using socials and YouTube and all that you

10:49 Speaker 2: as an individual, butever God is placed to you have

10:51 Speaker 2: a call, You're a purpose.

10:53 Speaker 5: I want you to tap into that.

10:55 Speaker 2: That's how you will be able to live the satisfying

10:57 Speaker 2: life that God has for you as well. So when

11:00 Speaker 2: you talk about the fact that you've accomplished so much

11:03 Speaker 2: and you're doing all of these things, how do you

11:07 Speaker 2: stay grounded? Like you know, one of the things when

11:10 Speaker 2: I'm looking at your conversation so far, you know the

11:13 Speaker 2: flow and everything.

11:14 Speaker 5: You know, you have achieved a lot of things.

11:16 Speaker 2: You have started out as a model, and to be honest,

11:20 Speaker 2: I'm just saying this from my heart. I've seen a

11:22 Speaker 2: lot of people who have a sense of attitude, a

11:25 Speaker 2: lot of pride, and especially you'll come to places like

11:28 Speaker 2: Emmy Awards and all of these things. How do you

11:30 Speaker 2: stay grounded and don't allow pride to come near you?

11:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you know, awards or people

11:38 Speaker 4: recognizing you for certain things are nice.

11:41 Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing.

11:42 Speaker 4: It's something you know, you work hard, and it's nice

11:44 Speaker 4: to hear that feedback.

11:45 Speaker 3: And you know know that you touched other people.

11:48 Speaker 4: And for me, every day I always talk about this.

11:52 Speaker 4: So if you've heard me, I'm of the podcast it's

11:53 Speaker 4: going to be but I love to get out in nature.

11:57 Speaker 4: You know, that really grounds me. And I listen to Joe,

12:00 Speaker 4: so don't Austin was going to.

12:01 Speaker 3: Listen to your podcast too. Now no I know about it,

12:05 Speaker 3: but you know, just listening to that and that really

12:07 Speaker 3: grounds me.

12:10 Speaker 2: Ever since you were young, you started out in the

12:13 Speaker 2: field of modeling, and then you come a long way

12:16 Speaker 2: into acting and then production, uh, and now to these

12:20 Speaker 2: awards and these great accolades. So if you were to

12:24 Speaker 2: give a message to the younger version of you, or

12:27 Speaker 2: locate it in another way that you're giving a word

12:30 Speaker 2: of advice to uh, somebody who's who, who's in the

12:34 Speaker 2: same age, Like maybe they're young and they have big

12:37 Speaker 2: dreams like yours. What would the piece of advice be

12:41 Speaker 2: for them.

12:43 Speaker 3: That's a great question.

12:44 Speaker 4: You know a lot of people will say things to you,

12:47 Speaker 4: you should do this, or you should be doing that,

12:49 Speaker 4: or you know, follow what's time, because I feel like

12:52 Speaker 4: that really speaks volumes right. When I was younger, I

12:57 Speaker 4: had I would record interviews with my friends.

13:00 Speaker 3: Is so funny. I don't usually talk about this, but

13:02 Speaker 3: it was on like a you know, like a book.

13:04 Speaker 3: I was like music thing in my room and I

13:06 Speaker 3: would hook up my mic to it and I.

13:08 Speaker 4: Just interviewed because I thought it was fun, you know,

13:10 Speaker 4: and I want to see your lives and record that.

13:14 Speaker 4: But I didn't really think anything else about it until

13:16 Speaker 4: until recently, and I was like, oh my gosh, I used.

13:19 Speaker 3: To do that. This is so crazy, all those things you.

13:23 Speaker 4: Know that you're interested in, and just you know, follow

13:27 Speaker 4: your your gut feeling about, you know things.

13:30 Speaker 3: If it doesn't feel right, don't do it, and if

13:32 Speaker 3: it if it feels like this is a good.

13:34 Speaker 4: Direction, to go go with it and work hard and yeah,

13:39 Speaker 4: and see where it takes to you sometimes. And I

13:42 Speaker 4: feel like, for me, I never thought I would end

13:45 Speaker 4: up doing what I'm doing all these things that wasn't.

13:48 Speaker 3: That wasn't my plan, you know.

13:50 Speaker 4: So sometimes you know, God's plan may be better, and

13:53 Speaker 4: in my case, it definitely was.

13:55 Speaker 3: And I hear that from a lot of people that

13:57 Speaker 3: they have one, you.

13:58 Speaker 4: Know, very rigid plan of what they want to happen,

14:00 Speaker 4: and then what actually ends up happening.

14:02 Speaker 3: Is far more amazing beautiful than they are thought.

14:05 Speaker 2: Awsob Like, I'm reminded of how Joseph right like he

14:09 Speaker 2: in the scripture, he started off he had these big

14:12 Speaker 2: dreams or leadership and all of those things. But what

14:14 Speaker 2: happens His plan is like, oh, I go tell my brothers,

14:18 Speaker 2: this is what the dream is, and they're going to

14:20 Speaker 2: bow down and if the dream is going to.

14:21 Speaker 5: Come to pass.

14:22 Speaker 2: But in reality, you know, it took a totally different direction,

14:27 Speaker 2: right Like he went into the pit, and then he

14:29 Speaker 2: goes into Potifis house, and then to the.

14:32 Speaker 5: Prison and then eventually the palace.

14:34 Speaker 2: And here's later the dream comes true, not in a

14:37 Speaker 2: sense of them coming and bowing before him, but in

14:41 Speaker 2: a sense of him serving them. You know, like God's

14:44 Speaker 2: ways of making those dreams come through the visions come

14:47 Speaker 2: true is very unique, and that's where we trust him,

14:51 Speaker 2: right Like, like you said, we have these plans, Like

14:55 Speaker 2: I like how what you mentioned about you interviewing other

14:58 Speaker 2: people as a younger a girl, a young girl, and

15:03 Speaker 2: you know, when I was much younger, I used to

15:05 Speaker 2: go around having these makeshift microphones, said, I used to

15:09 Speaker 2: set up at home and I used to act like

15:12 Speaker 2: I'm preaching in front of a huge crowd.

15:14 Speaker 5: Or I'm speaking and I'm teaching.

15:16 Speaker 2: So I used to do that ever since I was young,

15:19 Speaker 2: and today I'm doing that like traveling and preaching and

15:24 Speaker 2: got to other countries and preaching at the same time,

15:27 Speaker 2: you know, doing the podcast through which it's reaching people.

15:30 Speaker 5: All over the world. The YouTube channel.

15:32 Speaker 2: I just came to know yesterday that my YouTube channel

15:35 Speaker 2: is among the top three point five person YouTube channels

15:39 Speaker 2: all over the world. And I was like, wow, okay,

15:41 Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming, like out of one fifteen

15:44 Speaker 2: million YouTube channels out there. So in its own way,

15:48 Speaker 2: God is using it to be a voice to preach people.

15:51 Speaker 2: So that's the word of challenge or encouragement. I want

15:55 Speaker 2: to give you guys, those of you watching listening that

15:57 Speaker 2: you know, whatever God is placed in your heart, just follow,

16:00 Speaker 2: just go with it, like like Kenen I was saying,

16:03 Speaker 2: you know, follow the gut feeling, even if you feel like,

16:06 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, you have guts to do this. You know,

16:08 Speaker 2: TV takes always because you know, do it scanned. So

16:13 Speaker 2: you need to start in the place of doing that.

16:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's times when I got this feeling and I'm like,

16:18 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this is people are going to think

16:20 Speaker 4: I'm crazy.

16:21 Speaker 3: Like even starting the podcast, I was thinking, oh, like,

16:25 Speaker 3: I can't do that.

16:26 Speaker 4: Like whom, you just start out small and you know,

16:30 Speaker 4: you build and it used to one after the other.

16:32 Speaker 3: And it's the same with anything any dream.

16:34 Speaker 2: M What I've seen is that you know, like there's

16:37 Speaker 2: especially rising out of Hollywood and a lot of projects.

16:41 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of movies that have a lot

16:43 Speaker 2: of negative annotations and people love those negative ones. But

16:48 Speaker 2: we needs, uh, you know, like I've been checked out

16:51 Speaker 2: part of your you know, the documentary that won the

16:54 Speaker 2: Emmy Award right about the police officers and the PTSD

16:59 Speaker 2: and all that. We need more content that brings awareness,

17:04 Speaker 2: that makes a positive difference, and uh, you know, like

17:08 Speaker 2: so it's it's not easy for someone to say, you

17:11 Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to stick to my principles. I'm

17:13 Speaker 2: going to stick to my conviction. So at there big

17:16 Speaker 2: moments where you had to maybe pay a price or

17:20 Speaker 2: maybe put your foot down and make sure that you know, uh,

17:24 Speaker 2: this is the direction I'm going, even if it means

17:26 Speaker 2: that it's going to cost me something.

17:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it. You know.

17:32 Speaker 4: I didn't have a negative reaction, but in the beginning

17:34 Speaker 4: when I was trying to explain to people around me,

17:38 Speaker 4: because I was kind of working in journalism a lot

17:40 Speaker 4: of bit then and in the media, there was a

17:42 Speaker 4: lot of negativity around that. And I understand, you know,

17:47 Speaker 4: there are good people and bad people, and bad things happen, and.

17:49 Speaker 3: I get that. But what I was saying, in my

17:52 Speaker 3: community here was so much positivity, you know.

17:57 Speaker 4: And I would see the officers, you know, just going

18:01 Speaker 4: to like the young the young people in the community

18:03 Speaker 4: and helping them with things, and there's just so many things,

18:07 Speaker 4: playing basketball with.

18:08 Speaker 3: Them, you know, and I just thought, Wow, this is

18:11 Speaker 3: so beautiful.

18:11 Speaker 4: And I kept seeing and it would keep coming out,

18:13 Speaker 4: you know, I kept thinking I can't do this because

18:15 Speaker 4: this is so far.

18:17 Speaker 3: And I remember telling you all I were saying, oh,

18:20 Speaker 3: you know, Karina, this is risky. I don't know, but

18:23 Speaker 3: I said no. The way that I want to.

18:25 Speaker 4: Tell the story is just like you said about the positive,

18:29 Speaker 4: you know, the positivity.

18:30 Speaker 3: Of the situation, and I want to show.

18:32 Speaker 4: What other people don't see necessarily, you know, something that's

18:36 Speaker 4: talk about in the media. And I think that's why

18:38 Speaker 4: that project got the attention that it did, because it

18:42 Speaker 4: was maybe down in a way that hadn't.

18:44 Speaker 3: Been shown before. Yeah, but I love doing it. And again,

18:50 Speaker 3: I like stuff just with the community. I did another

18:53 Speaker 3: one with the Women's Center here, which is actually a.

18:56 Speaker 4: Faith organization I volunteered with to help young women there

19:01 Speaker 4: as well. That we did a little short film and

19:04 Speaker 4: out to some festivals and.

19:07 Speaker 3: People loved it, you know, it was amazing. So I think.

19:10 Speaker 4: It's a lot of times people feel like they need

19:12 Speaker 4: to go to Hollywood or they need to be and

19:14 Speaker 4: and you know, it's true, there are a lot of

19:16 Speaker 4: movies that happen there, but you can really pay attention

19:20 Speaker 4: to what's around you. There's so much more than you think,

19:25 Speaker 4: you know, just locally and things that people can really

19:27 Speaker 4: make a difference with.

19:32 Speaker 2: This particular documentary that you made is about, you know,

19:36 Speaker 2: the police, and right now there's a lot of attack

19:39 Speaker 2: on the police, like on a political scale if you

19:41 Speaker 2: see right, like the defund the police and all.

19:44 Speaker 5: Of these things. It's happening on one side.

19:46 Speaker 2: So have you got yourself into a place where you're

19:50 Speaker 2: trying to bring out awareness about, you know, the things

19:54 Speaker 2: that the police are going through. At the same time,

19:57 Speaker 2: there's a movement that is trying to shut down police

20:00 Speaker 2: like all these different the police, especially from one of

20:02 Speaker 2: the sides of the political spectrum. So have you faced

20:06 Speaker 2: backlash because of political reasons or how did you tackle

20:11 Speaker 2: any of those if you.

20:12 Speaker 3: Did, I really haven't.

20:14 Speaker 4: I try not to get political on a lot of

20:17 Speaker 4: the projects that I do.

20:18 Speaker 3: I like to keep on neutral stands and not just

20:21 Speaker 3: because you know, I don't know I feel a certain

20:24 Speaker 3: way or whatever, but I feel like I do these

20:27 Speaker 3: to spark conversation.

20:29 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not an expert on the police

20:35 Speaker 4: community as it were.

20:36 Speaker 3: I have worked with the Sheriff's Department and volunteered here, which.

20:38 Speaker 4: Is an amazing experience. But you know, I want people

20:42 Speaker 4: to kind of judge for themselves. And that's the reason

20:45 Speaker 4: I make the movies that I do and the documentaries

20:48 Speaker 4: because I want to spark those conversations that wouldn't barely

20:52 Speaker 4: be coming up. People can decide for themselves, but yeah,

20:56 Speaker 4: I really haven't, and I'm thankful that that I haven't

21:01 Speaker 4: had to deal with anything like that.

21:02 Speaker 3: And I think it's because you know, I'm not standing

21:06 Speaker 3: on any particular side.

21:07 Speaker 4: I'm saying, hey, people aren't seeing this part of it,

21:10 Speaker 4: and it's something the.

21:11 Speaker 3: Media is not just so.

21:15 Speaker 4: For whatever reason, and you know, this is what I say,

21:19 Speaker 4: and I'm just bringing it, bringing it to people, you know,

21:23 Speaker 4: bringing it to documentaries, and.

21:26 Speaker 3: How many people make the decision themselves. That makes sense.

21:31 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's certainly certainly makes sense.

21:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that approach, and I'm glad that

21:35 Speaker 2: you're doing it because I was reminded of how I

21:38 Speaker 2: think Social Dynama came up and it just thought spoke

21:42 Speaker 2: about the you know, challenges with social media, but people

21:46 Speaker 2: had to make the decision whether they were got to

21:48 Speaker 2: follow it or not.

21:49 Speaker 5: The same thing.

21:50 Speaker 2: You are bringing out this, uh, the awareness and bringing

21:53 Speaker 2: this to light where not many people know about the

21:56 Speaker 2: PTSD that the police are enduring, and even for me

22:00 Speaker 2: when I was going through it, I was like, oh,

22:02 Speaker 2: you know what, I didn't think about this Anglo. So

22:04 Speaker 2: imagine how many people be like, oh my gosh, this

22:07 Speaker 2: is something I need to look at it. So in that, alum,

22:10 Speaker 2: do you have any projects in mind that you want

22:12 Speaker 2: to produce.

22:14 Speaker 4: I don't have anything right now. I kind of wait

22:16 Speaker 4: until it comes to me. You know, a lot of

22:19 Speaker 4: time and a lot of times I'll be out looking

22:21 Speaker 4: and I'll be listening to these things, and all of

22:23 Speaker 4: a sudden, I'll get this idea and I'm like, wow,

22:25 Speaker 4: that's that's a great idea.

22:26 Speaker 3: And I didn't come up with that. I know, that's

22:28 Speaker 3: something that came to me, but no. One. Thing I

22:33 Speaker 3: do want to add though, was that before doing the documentary,

22:36 Speaker 3: I didn't know. First of all, it took me a

22:38 Speaker 3: year to get.

22:38 Speaker 4: Permission to actually go and go on ride along this

22:41 Speaker 4: and see all this.

22:43 Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was going to see, you know,

22:45 Speaker 3: because in the beginning, I just thought, Wow, this is interesting.

22:48 Speaker 4: And anytime I get that like curious, you know, curiosity,

22:51 Speaker 4: and I want know why, it's usually something that I

22:54 Speaker 4: wanted to pursue. So I actually did a couple of

22:57 Speaker 4: ride alongs first to see if it was something that

23:00 Speaker 4: I even, you know, thought Okay, this is something I

23:03 Speaker 4: want to you know, record more of and see more about.

23:07 Speaker 3: So I didn't know either in the beginning.

23:09 Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't really I see the good and

23:12 Speaker 4: the bad as well, just from what I was seeing

23:14 Speaker 4: here in my community and I'm sure many others there was.

23:18 Speaker 4: There was so much love and so much positivity, and

23:21 Speaker 4: and you know, it's.

23:22 Speaker 3: Interesting this morning.

23:24 Speaker 4: Each of the officers that were in that I don't

23:26 Speaker 4: know if you've seen it or not, but I think

23:29 Speaker 4: they talk about it a little bit in the movie.

23:31 Speaker 3: Their faith was the thing that kept them going.

23:34 Speaker 4: They would pray before their shift and hear, you're getting

23:38 Speaker 4: kind of put out there. You don't know what's gonna happen,

23:40 Speaker 4: you know, and that's the part of their life.

23:43 Speaker 3: And I thought that was so beautiful. I thought it

23:47 Speaker 3: was great.

23:48 Speaker 2: Ultimately, that's what no matter what we deal with, whether

23:51 Speaker 2: it's REDSD or the challenges of life, or even you know,

23:55 Speaker 2: being the light in the darkness or for anything and anything,

23:58 Speaker 2: by the end of the day, what helps us get

24:01 Speaker 2: going is through trusting in God and you know, like

24:05 Speaker 2: it's not because everything is going great in my life,

24:08 Speaker 2: or it's not because you know, everything is like picture

24:10 Speaker 2: perfect in your life, right, Like you have your own challenges,

24:15 Speaker 2: but still God strengthens you and it's your faith that

24:18 Speaker 2: keeps you going.

24:19 Speaker 5: In the midst of all of that.

24:21 Speaker 2: Have there been moments where, like when we talk about

24:23 Speaker 2: this aspect where Pitcher perfect or anything, like, you started

24:27 Speaker 2: out as a model and you are into this acting

24:31 Speaker 2: space and you know, one of the things that I

24:33 Speaker 2: think is making a lot of ruckers for especially for

24:37 Speaker 2: the younger generation today, is you know, this sense of

24:41 Speaker 2: unrealistic expectation in terms of the beauty standards or in

24:45 Speaker 2: terms of you know, I'm not good enough or look

24:48 Speaker 2: at them, they look like, you know, so good and

24:50 Speaker 2: look at me, look at my perfections. You know I

24:53 Speaker 2: brought I'm actually on the side. I'm also a huge

24:57 Speaker 2: Scooby Doo collector. I've also got world records my Scooby

25:00 Speaker 2: Doo collections, and it's not the largest collection, but I

25:03 Speaker 2: said records on a different pain And I'm also nicknamed

25:07 Speaker 2: as the Scooby Doo past us. So I will actually

25:09 Speaker 2: be asking you some Scooby Doo based questions as well.

25:11 Speaker 2: So but I brought in one of the things that

25:13 Speaker 2: I brought in was, you know, this is a Scooby

25:15 Speaker 2: Doo Barbie. Okay, Daphne as Scooby Doo's baby. It's a

25:19 Speaker 2: very unique piece. So now when you look at Barbie,

25:23 Speaker 2: Barbie has these standards, you know, like she looks so pretty,

25:27 Speaker 2: She's so beautiful, like you know, the body. So there's

25:30 Speaker 2: and so there's these standards set like Okay, this is

25:33 Speaker 2: how a Barbie is, this is how a pretty girl

25:36 Speaker 2: his or things like that. So entertainment industry in general

25:39 Speaker 2: has these standards that have put these expectations on people

25:43 Speaker 2: that you know, this is what is beauty, and anybody

25:46 Speaker 2: who doesn't meet those standards, you know, is looked.

25:49 Speaker 5: Down or they feel down about themselves.

25:51 Speaker 2: Like even today, while I was just coming towards Saint TiVo,

25:54 Speaker 2: I was just doing even for me, I want, like

25:58 Speaker 2: you know, I want to have that flawless skin and

26:00 Speaker 2: you know, like a Disney skin. That's what I would

26:03 Speaker 2: fantasize all the time. And I was just saying, you

26:06 Speaker 2: know what this in reality on media, we portrayed those

26:10 Speaker 2: things as the standards and expectations which is laid out

26:13 Speaker 2: unrealistic expectations on other people. So what is your word

26:17 Speaker 2: for people to say that, you know, you know, like

26:21 Speaker 2: to be comfortable in their own skin, not to love

26:23 Speaker 2: themselves even if they don't need the you know, Hollywood

26:27 Speaker 2: or entertainment industries or model standards.

26:30 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, I think that's a great question.

26:34 Speaker 4: I being going into the modeling industry and starting pretty young.

26:38 Speaker 4: I went to New York to work in the modeling industry.

26:42 Speaker 4: And yes, back then, I remember like the wastelook was

26:46 Speaker 4: in which you know, I am, I'm splendor. You know,

26:50 Speaker 4: I look like a model, but I'm not the waste look.

26:54 Speaker 3: I remember thinking at.

26:55 Speaker 4: The time, okay, you know, so I think, I know,

26:58 Speaker 4: I try, and you know, I was like, oh, I

27:00 Speaker 4: have to be this and I have to be that,

27:02 Speaker 4: and I think what I kind of let that go

27:05 Speaker 4: and said, okay, this is.

27:07 Speaker 3: You know, and you have to understand there's only one

27:09 Speaker 3: you that you can bring.

27:11 Speaker 4: So when I started, yeah, just trying to fit into

27:13 Speaker 4: a mold that I probably was was not you know,

27:16 Speaker 4: I wasn't.

27:17 Speaker 3: Going to be that teeny teeny model and that was okay.

27:21 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, and especially today, there's there's so

27:25 Speaker 4: much online and it it's scary and it makes me

27:29 Speaker 4: sad just to look, you know, and see what other

27:31 Speaker 4: girls have to deal with now so much more, you know,

27:35 Speaker 4: for days, I guess men and women too have to

27:38 Speaker 4: deal with what But what you see.

27:40 Speaker 3: On social media isn't real. This is what people have

27:44 Speaker 3: done and it was true for like magazines back then.

27:46 Speaker 4: You know, they're airbrushing and whatever, you know, to make

27:50 Speaker 4: feel like a certain way spoken miers you know. But yeah,

27:55 Speaker 4: I mean, there's just so much that the teens, especially

27:58 Speaker 4: have to deal with. And I'm always telling my daughter, like,

28:02 Speaker 4: you know, you know this isn't real, right or.

28:04 Speaker 3: You know, and she knows. I think they're pretty good nowadays,

28:07 Speaker 3: the kids.

28:07 Speaker 4: You know, that's real and what's not so just knowing that,

28:11 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, what makes you unique sometimes

28:16 Speaker 4: are your imperfections, you know, and people can access over

28:20 Speaker 4: Oh I have this or this is this way, or

28:22 Speaker 4: I want I want this kind of hair.

28:23 Speaker 3: You know, you always want what you don't have.

28:25 Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, but you know, when you when

28:30 Speaker 4: you really realize that there's only one you, and and

28:33 Speaker 4: the body positivity now there's a lot of body positivity

28:37 Speaker 4: that's kind of been happening the last few years, which

28:40 Speaker 4: is exciting.

28:41 Speaker 3: So there is good.

28:42 Speaker 4: Content on social media if you can find it. But

28:46 Speaker 4: just focusing on that being the best view that you

28:50 Speaker 4: can be, not worrying about being someone else or something else,

28:53 Speaker 4: I think is the way to.

28:55 Speaker 2: Go on it.

28:56 Speaker 4: And you know you're going to live a happier life

28:57 Speaker 4: that way, you're not stressing about that going one you

29:02 Speaker 4: that's it.

29:04 Speaker 3: Now. I just think the standards aren't quite as.

29:08 Speaker 4: High, you know, as back as far as like the

29:12 Speaker 4: wavelook when I got started. I don't know, modeling's always

29:16 Speaker 4: kind of been a certain way, but I feel like

29:18 Speaker 4: we have more inclusivity now.

29:20 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's not just one thing.

29:23 Speaker 4: We're looking for, which is really nice, and yeah, just

29:28 Speaker 4: focus on being the best version of you because most

29:30 Speaker 4: people aren't going into that that modeling industry, which is

29:34 Speaker 4: probably a good thing. But even with that in you know, theater,

29:39 Speaker 4: well whatever it is, anything creative like that, just being

29:44 Speaker 4: the best for you and sometimes there might be some

29:46 Speaker 4: fear behind that in the beginning, which is something I

29:48 Speaker 4: talk about a lot now, and it's just knowing that

29:52 Speaker 4: everybody and we talk about this on the podcast a

29:54 Speaker 4: lot too.

29:56 Speaker 3: You know, everybody has concerns or they worry about, Oh, you.

29:59 Speaker 4: Know, is this is this the direction that's just been going?

30:02 Speaker 4: Or is this Am I good enough to do this?

30:04 Speaker 4: Or you know, is this my my thing I'm supposed

30:08 Speaker 4: to be focusing on. But it is everybody deals with that.

30:13 Speaker 3: You know.

30:14 Speaker 4: And that's what I think I've realized, even with doing

30:16 Speaker 4: the podcast, where people had ups and downs in their

30:19 Speaker 4: careers and you know, they their their journey to success

30:23 Speaker 4: was never you know, like a flat, easy broad There's

30:27 Speaker 4: always some kind of ples that come through on there

30:32 Speaker 4: and it's just kind of guiding and finding your way

30:35 Speaker 4: through that and yeah, you're going to get on the

30:38 Speaker 4: right path in the end, hopefully before you close.

30:45 Speaker 5: That's so true, like even for me.

30:47 Speaker 2: You know, one of the books that I wrote, the

30:50 Speaker 2: first book that I wrote is called Who Am I,

30:52 Speaker 2: which is actually on identity. The thing is, ever since

30:55 Speaker 2: I was young, I struggled a lot.

30:57 Speaker 5: With an identity.

30:58 Speaker 2: It was is people used to put me down, especially

31:02 Speaker 2: in Nindia, like oh your dark skin tone, you know,

31:04 Speaker 2: like they used to put you, put me down. And

31:06 Speaker 2: that actually had a negative impact on me to a

31:10 Speaker 2: point where I was like, oh, I was never confident

31:12 Speaker 2: enough like to be myself, like especially if you see

31:15 Speaker 2: for instance, in Andia, like you know, all the like

31:19 Speaker 2: if you're into modeling, you know, if you have this

31:21 Speaker 2: skin tone, after things are like canceled for you because

31:24 Speaker 2: of that, you know. So it's over time that you know,

31:30 Speaker 2: I had to get into that place of like, Okay,

31:32 Speaker 2: you know, accept myself.

31:34 Speaker 5: This is this is who.

31:35 Speaker 2: God made me to be, and there are certain things

31:38 Speaker 2: that I can't change. And eventually what happens is now,

31:42 Speaker 2: even though sometimes it feels awkward because you know, being

31:46 Speaker 2: in the media space, especially on the socials and all

31:49 Speaker 2: of those influenzals spaces, you know, for the most part,

31:53 Speaker 2: you know, you know, the skin tone happens to be

31:55 Speaker 2: like a negative thing or a disadvantage in some ways,

31:59 Speaker 2: but then I find it as a unique spot where

32:02 Speaker 2: that's what helps me stand out from the rest, you

32:05 Speaker 2: know what I mean.

32:06 Speaker 5: Like, so I always tell.

32:07 Speaker 2: People, you know, what is different about you is what

32:10 Speaker 2: will actually make the difference around you. So that's the

32:14 Speaker 2: attitude that I tend to have. And even guys, if

32:18 Speaker 2: you're feeling low about yourself, you have some reason why

32:21 Speaker 2: you feel like oh I'm not good enough.

32:23 Speaker 5: I want you to understand that.

32:24 Speaker 2: You know, if Kenna can say that, you know, despite

32:28 Speaker 2: being a model, despite being an actress and producer in Alive,

32:32 Speaker 2: if she can say that she can also battle with

32:35 Speaker 2: things like, you know, I'm not good enough, then anybody

32:37 Speaker 2: for that matter can feel that. Like you can have

32:40 Speaker 2: the you know, quote unquote like a Barbie model and

32:43 Speaker 2: still feel that you're not good enough. So that's the

32:47 Speaker 2: challenge I want to give you guys.

32:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's really valuable. And that again

32:52 Speaker 3: on the podcast, just interviewing you know, all the people

32:56 Speaker 3: that I've interviewed in.

32:56 Speaker 4: The past few years, everybody doesn't matter how successful they are,

33:01 Speaker 4: you know, they all, I feel like, have that common

33:04 Speaker 4: theme that there were things they had and whatever those were, Like,

33:08 Speaker 4: everybody has it. So you think you see these people

33:11 Speaker 4: who are famous, anythink oh they have the perfect life,

33:14 Speaker 4: they don't have anything to deal with and.

33:15 Speaker 3: It's not true. It's not true at all. So it

33:18 Speaker 3: gives us more.

33:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's good to hear what other people

33:23 Speaker 4: go through to help with everyone else.

33:25 Speaker 5: Yes, that's so true.

33:27 Speaker 2: You are also saying that you're doing a project video

33:30 Speaker 2: as sister about a fee based project.

33:34 Speaker 5: What is that about?

33:36 Speaker 3: Yes, And it's so funny.

33:37 Speaker 4: I was thinking, I totally forgot because this is like

33:40 Speaker 4: a family project too, and I was like, this deals with.

33:44 Speaker 3: The church and the Church of England. I was like,

33:46 Speaker 3: I have to tell John about so much. You brought

33:49 Speaker 3: it up.

33:50 Speaker 4: It's called a legacy of sound and it's on my

33:56 Speaker 4: great uncle Sean Applebee's his last night and really his

34:02 Speaker 4: his life and his I guess his need to leave

34:05 Speaker 4: the legacy.

34:06 Speaker 3: Behind, you know, how can something positive in this world?

34:11 Speaker 4: And he lives in the south of England, in the Cotswolds,

34:16 Speaker 4: and it's a beautiful village at Stunning Church.

34:19 Speaker 3: I've been there.

34:21 Speaker 4: It's beautiful, you know, it's a beautiful old English church.

34:24 Speaker 4: And what he did is he brought in gold bells

34:28 Speaker 4: or bell ringing, and he put all of his brothers

34:31 Speaker 4: and sisters names on these gold bells that he had

34:34 Speaker 4: made in Italy, so they would he felt like it

34:37 Speaker 4: would ring out forever, you know, they would be sounding

34:40 Speaker 4: his legacy.

34:41 Speaker 3: And I just think it was such a beautiful thing.

34:43 Speaker 3: But I forgot to mention Uncle John is ninety. I

34:47 Speaker 3: think he's ninety five. He's in his nineties.

34:50 Speaker 4: He still drives, he's still I mean, he's white, normal,

34:55 Speaker 4: walking around living. He has a very busy life, probably

34:58 Speaker 4: busier than mine, so look up to him.

35:01 Speaker 3: But all this, all this.

35:03 Speaker 4: Was happening in my family and my sister Anne Marie Michelle,

35:07 Speaker 4: who's based in London, she was like, we have to,

35:12 Speaker 4: you know, she really wanted to kind of show this

35:15 Speaker 4: and just record it with.

35:17 Speaker 3: Some other people because it was such an amazing thing

35:19 Speaker 3: that he was doing. And then I remember saying, you know,

35:24 Speaker 3: definitely should and you should do it right.

35:26 Speaker 4: And so she did it, and it was her first film.

35:29 Speaker 4: It's her first short that she's ever done. She's a photographer,

35:33 Speaker 4: an amazing photographer. He's been a lot of fashion photography

35:36 Speaker 4: and all types press and everything. But so she did it,

35:41 Speaker 4: she finished it. We just had the premiere. It's actually

35:43 Speaker 4: on my Instagram. I don't know if you saw it

35:45 Speaker 4: on there where some other family came out and it

35:49 Speaker 4: was it was amazing, so beautiful, Like I never thought

35:52 Speaker 4: that I'd be in a theater, you know, with my

35:54 Speaker 4: great uncle and my great aunt, and I'm thrilled to

35:59 Speaker 4: be you know, an executive producer on it, and my

36:03 Speaker 4: sister though she she really did it herself.

36:06 Speaker 3: You know, she didn't. She came to me with questions

36:09 Speaker 3: every once.

36:09 Speaker 4: In a while, but it was it's her, it's her baby,

36:12 Speaker 4: you know, it's her.

36:14 Speaker 3: And she did an amazing job with it.

36:16 Speaker 4: So it's starting to get into the festival circa.

36:21 Speaker 3: London. I think it's the London Independent Film Festival.

36:25 Speaker 4: I want to say on the fifth October fifth in London,

36:29 Speaker 4: that's the one.

36:30 Speaker 3: And yeah, we're excited to see where it goes.

36:33 Speaker 2: When she had this desire to talk about or make this,

36:36 Speaker 2: like whether self doubt like is there anybody going to watch?

36:42 Speaker 2: Or things like that, Like if she had that kind

36:44 Speaker 2: of doubt, how did she deal with it?

36:46 Speaker 5: Do you know anything on that?

36:49 Speaker 4: I you know, he did, I think, And I think

36:51 Speaker 4: she said that she was in the church one day

36:54 Speaker 4: and there were some other people in there and they said,

36:56 Speaker 4: what are you doing?

36:57 Speaker 3: Because she was going around with the camera, and I

36:59 Speaker 3: think she blurted it out, you know, I'm making a

37:02 Speaker 3: movie or I'm making or something like that, and.

37:07 Speaker 4: So she said, oh, okay, I guess I'm doing this,

37:10 Speaker 4: but I'm sure because she's this is she's I think she.

37:13 Speaker 3: Calls herself the accidental filmmaker, and that's kind of how her.

37:18 Speaker 3: You know, it was my next She get.

37:21 Speaker 4: An amazing job, she puts some great people together. I'm

37:25 Speaker 4: really excited to see where it goes. But for me,

37:27 Speaker 4: I mean, it holds a special place in my heart,

37:29 Speaker 4: you know, because it's family, and it's my grandmother's Belle

37:35 Speaker 4: is in there and my great great grandparents.

37:38 Speaker 5: So mm hmm. Can't wait to see these projects live.

37:43 Speaker 5: It's going to be so good to check it out.

37:47 Speaker 5: So what is your word for?

37:49 Speaker 2: Because the reason I was asking about, you know, if

37:51 Speaker 2: she does to itself doubt and all of that is

37:53 Speaker 2: because the next question I want to ask is like,

37:55 Speaker 2: what is your word for buddying creators, content creators or

37:59 Speaker 2: art is our actors or anybody for that matto.

38:03 Speaker 3: You know, I like a word of advice for them

38:06 Speaker 3: or something helpful. Yeah, just I think.

38:09 Speaker 4: So many times it's easy to get caught up in

38:13 Speaker 4: like I need to go to LA, I need to

38:15 Speaker 4: go to New York, I have to be in this place,

38:17 Speaker 4: And a lot of times there's so much able either online,

38:22 Speaker 4: you know, you can pursue training online now right, or

38:25 Speaker 4: you don't even have to leave your house, you know,

38:28 Speaker 4: or just really get involved and you don't need expensive

38:32 Speaker 4: equipment like you first are. You know, you can really

38:35 Speaker 4: A lot of the film that I did was on

38:37 Speaker 4: my cell phone, you know, I recorded because we were

38:40 Speaker 4: in a tight place and I couldn't have a huge

38:43 Speaker 4: camera crew in there. So I just you know, risks

38:47 Speaker 4: with it, take risks on being created. Don't feel like

38:50 Speaker 4: you have to be restricting.

38:54 Speaker 2: That's such a needed a word of advice. Like I

38:57 Speaker 2: always tell people, you don't have to jump into the

38:59 Speaker 2: deep end of the pool. You can start with a

39:01 Speaker 2: kiddy pool in a sense. Like you know, I started

39:05 Speaker 2: my podcast or my ministry when God said start in

39:07 Speaker 2: international ministry. I didn't have international contacts. I didn't have anything.

39:11 Speaker 2: All I had was my phone. Like how God to

39:14 Speaker 2: old Moses, you know what is in your hand? And God,

39:16 Speaker 2: Moses said, I just have a stick. So I like

39:19 Speaker 2: we was, God has watch in your hand? I said,

39:21 Speaker 2: I just have a phone. And I started off with podcasts.

39:24 Speaker 2: You know, thirteen years ago, I started the ministry just

39:27 Speaker 2: with my phone, just sending voice messages. And you know,

39:31 Speaker 2: like those humble beginnings paid the way for me to

39:34 Speaker 2: you know, get better at what I'm doing. I used

39:37 Speaker 2: to stammer a lot. I was not that impressive, but

39:41 Speaker 2: eventually over time I started getting better with the podcast,

39:44 Speaker 2: and then it went into YouTube and then television. Now

39:48 Speaker 2: I have a weekly TV program and then I'm on

39:51 Speaker 2: you know, like traveling and preaching.

39:53 Speaker 5: So it's like all one led to another, you know

39:56 Speaker 5: what I mean.

39:57 Speaker 2: Like everybody wants, you know, the moment when they can

40:00 Speaker 2: get into you know, like maybe get an Oscar or

40:02 Speaker 2: a Remy, but you know, start with you know, your

40:05 Speaker 2: own little thing that you can do at home.

40:09 Speaker 3: So it's true.

40:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I always tell this that you know,

40:14 Speaker 2: you you if you don't get opportunities, you create your

40:17 Speaker 2: own opportunities, you know what I mean. Like David was

40:20 Speaker 2: about to defeat Goliath. You know, that was a moment

40:23 Speaker 2: where nobody came to David and said, can you defeat Goliath?

40:26 Speaker 2: You know, he saw the need, he bent and presented

40:29 Speaker 2: himself for that need. So that's the challenge to help

40:32 Speaker 2: people like you saw that there's a need to address

40:34 Speaker 2: the PTSD in the police, and you made an effort

40:38 Speaker 2: to address that issue. So likewise, I challenge those of

40:42 Speaker 2: you watching listening, you know, you know ask God to

40:45 Speaker 2: show you needs. Ask God to show you places where

40:48 Speaker 2: you can, you know, shine your light in the darkness.

40:51 Speaker 2: Instead of you going and saying, please give me an opportunity,

40:54 Speaker 2: why can't you create your own opportunity. I think that's

40:57 Speaker 2: going to be a great way to get started. Well,

41:00 Speaker 2: coming back to the aspect of me being a Scooby pastor,

41:03 Speaker 2: do you have any lesson that we can take away

41:05 Speaker 2: from Scooby Doo or from your memories or anything like that.

41:10 Speaker 3: I love this. This is fun, Okay.

41:12 Speaker 4: My favorite Scooby Doo memory a couple of years ago

41:16 Speaker 4: for Halloween. I don't know if you guys celebrate over there,

41:18 Speaker 4: but we dress up here. We'll have parties and things.

41:21 Speaker 4: But I was Daphning for Halloween.

41:28 Speaker 3: I was Daphne and it was so fun. I loved it.

41:31 Speaker 4: It was such a fun character to, you know, stress

41:35 Speaker 4: up ps and have fun.

41:36 Speaker 3: But yeah, what lessons, I don't know. They seem to

41:40 Speaker 3: have good teamwork, right, They stick together. I mean, I

41:43 Speaker 3: like that she's attractive.

41:45 Speaker 4: And I always end up playing a despective, which I love.

41:47 Speaker 4: I love that role anyway. But I think they stick

41:50 Speaker 4: together and they work for the greater good and they

41:53 Speaker 4: cruise around and they solved crimes and no nothing better

41:58 Speaker 4: than that.

41:58 Speaker 3: So good.

42:01 Speaker 2: Like you said about teamwork, I always tell is that

42:03 Speaker 2: you know, everybody has a unique gift. Even in the

42:06 Speaker 2: Scoobedo Gang, each one of us I have a unique

42:08 Speaker 2: call in a purpose. I mean it ties back to

42:10 Speaker 2: that message, guys. It ties back to that message that

42:14 Speaker 2: everybody has something unique, and like you said, they're not

42:17 Speaker 2: doing it for themselves, They're doing it for greater good.

42:19 Speaker 2: Like I was sharing about how even you know, many

42:22 Speaker 2: times we live a life like what can I.

42:24 Speaker 5: Get from this? What will I get? You know, what

42:27 Speaker 5: is in it for me?

42:28 Speaker 2: But can we get to a place where, like you

42:31 Speaker 2: know what, how can I be a blessing to other people?

42:34 Speaker 2: How can I just live for something greater than myself?

42:36 Speaker 2: And so I think that's that's what really really makes

42:40 Speaker 2: the difference. And I think that's the beautiful way to

42:42 Speaker 2: tie that piece up. So what is your one message

42:47 Speaker 2: or something that's burning in your heart that you'd like

42:49 Speaker 2: to share as a message to Maybe I'll watch those

42:53 Speaker 2: who are watching listening as well as you know, to

42:56 Speaker 2: the audience in general.

42:59 Speaker 4: I say, I guess kind of going back and reflecting

43:02 Speaker 4: on this interview, just if you have something that you

43:06 Speaker 4: want to do and it keeps coming up.

43:08 Speaker 3: You know, this is a big one for me.

43:10 Speaker 4: It'll keep coming up and I'll say no, you know,

43:12 Speaker 4: sometimes I'll try it even like put it out of

43:14 Speaker 4: my mind, you know, but I know it's something I

43:16 Speaker 4: want to do.

43:17 Speaker 3: And if it.

43:18 Speaker 4: Keeps coming out, maybe maybe see, you know, see if

43:21 Speaker 4: there's something there, Maybe try it out.

43:22 Speaker 3: And like you were saying, you.

43:24 Speaker 4: Don't have the dump it or jump in you know,

43:26 Speaker 4: the deep end of the pool, right, so you have

43:29 Speaker 4: to jump in the deepend you can kind of dip

43:31 Speaker 4: your toe in a little bit and see if it's

43:33 Speaker 4: something that you want to do. And again, just to

43:36 Speaker 4: follow your heart. You know, it's all in here. I

43:38 Speaker 4: feel like, you know that feeling is something you want

43:41 Speaker 4: to do. Just try it out and follow through with it.

43:44 Speaker 2: One of the things that I chat into you guys,

43:46 Speaker 2: like don't give into the excuses. Just just give it

43:49 Speaker 2: a shot. I mean, like, you know, you never know

43:51 Speaker 2: where it's going ahead, right, Like if if you think like, oh,

43:55 Speaker 2: it's never going to happen, it's never going to happen.

43:57 Speaker 2: But maybe you can just get to this post to

44:00 Speaker 2: what if I try and what if it has happened?

44:03 Speaker 2: You know, one of the principles that I always live

44:06 Speaker 2: by is that you know, the pain of failure is

44:10 Speaker 2: better than the pain of regret.

44:11 Speaker 5: You know, it's better to.

44:12 Speaker 2: Try and fail then to come to the end of

44:15 Speaker 2: your life and wish oh man, I wish I tried,

44:17 Speaker 2: I wish.

44:17 Speaker 5: I done something, you know.

44:19 Speaker 2: So I think that's the principle that I would really

44:24 Speaker 2: recommend you guys to live by as well. So do

44:27 Speaker 2: you have any special or specific word that you would

44:30 Speaker 2: like to share towards me in this podcast or myself

44:34 Speaker 2: or the ministry like you're based on you know, your

44:37 Speaker 2: experience with the podcast as well as your experience taking

44:42 Speaker 2: out my messages and everything as well.

44:44 Speaker 3: Yeah.

44:44 Speaker 4: No, I just want to say I'm truly honored to

44:47 Speaker 4: be on your podcast. I've listened a little bit myself,

44:50 Speaker 4: and I love the messages that you put out there.

44:52 Speaker 4: So I am just thrilled to come on and you know,

44:56 Speaker 4: have this conversation with you and exchange ideas and if.

45:01 Speaker 3: You have so many wonderful things to say.

45:03 Speaker 4: So congratulations on the podcast, and I'm sure it's going

45:06 Speaker 4: to continue to grow with me such a success.

45:09 Speaker 5: For Thank you so much. Thank you.

45:12 Speaker 2: There any plans of like maybe coming down to India

45:16 Speaker 2: or collaborating here in India.

45:19 Speaker 3: You never know. I would love to.

45:20 Speaker 4: I mean, if the opportunity came up, I would I

45:23 Speaker 4: would love to do that.

45:23 Speaker 3: So we'll see.

45:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds so good, so good.

45:28 Speaker 2: So how can people stay connected with all the work

45:32 Speaker 2: that you do. I'll obviously put on the links in

45:36 Speaker 2: the description that you share, but if there's something else.

45:40 Speaker 4: So as far as like filmography, I mean, IMDb is

45:43 Speaker 4: usually pretty accurate with projects that I'm working on, but

45:46 Speaker 4: for more like behind the scenes, look, it would be

45:49 Speaker 4: my Instagram Karina Michelle Official, and that's where I find everything,

45:55 Speaker 4: you know, what I'm doing day to day. Sometimes it's

46:00 Speaker 4: all there. And then obviously on the podcast Coffee with Karina, Yeah,

46:06 Speaker 4: I think I think we may have some similar things

46:08 Speaker 4: that we talk about, so I think the listeners would

46:11 Speaker 4: would enjoy, you know, the.

46:13 Speaker 3: Conversations on there as well. You're so inspirational.

46:16 Speaker 4: I just I think that you just bring so much,

46:19 Speaker 4: you know, to your audience, and I hope I do

46:21 Speaker 4: the same going forward.

46:24 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you so much, thank you.

46:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, well, based on whatever I

46:29 Speaker 2: checked on your podcast and the things that you do,

46:32 Speaker 2: it's a one of the things that, like I said

46:34 Speaker 2: about being authentic, I really loved that aspect about you.

46:37 Speaker 2: You know, there's so many people are there who just

46:40 Speaker 2: do it for the name, and they just do it

46:43 Speaker 2: for namesake, Like you know, you know that it's not

46:45 Speaker 2: from the from the heart, and that that doesn't reach people,

46:49 Speaker 2: that doesn't make a difference. And sometimes it's it's that

46:53 Speaker 2: heart connect that really makes the difference. And I'm so

46:55 Speaker 2: glad that you're doing that. And someday maybe I would

46:59 Speaker 2: join you on your podcast too, but definitely putting your

47:06 Speaker 2: projects or something that you're working on that you are

47:08 Speaker 2: free to talk about.

47:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, it's so funny. I have a couple

47:12 Speaker 4: of projects and the works, and I can't talk about.

47:15 Speaker 3: Either predicament because you know, I love to talk. I

47:20 Speaker 3: have to, I have to talk.

47:21 Speaker 4: So but yeah, I think, I mean a legacy of sound,

47:24 Speaker 4: which is you know, will be coming out to theaters

47:27 Speaker 4: and hopefully be available either online or on the networks

47:32 Speaker 4: after that. But yeah, I'm excited. I have, you know,

47:36 Speaker 4: some fun things going on. But yeah, I can't say

47:38 Speaker 4: too much about it. Hopefully scard will be out soond

47:40 Speaker 4: now I hear that you know it's coming out in

47:42 Speaker 4: India and you'll probably see it before I do. So

47:45 Speaker 4: if you see it, you have to let me know

47:47 Speaker 4: how I did.

47:48 Speaker 5: F that'll be cool.

47:53 Speaker 2: Maybe, I mean, maybe you can use that as any

47:55 Speaker 2: excuse to come down to India, come for a maybe

47:59 Speaker 2: you can meet.

48:01 Speaker 3: That's a great idea.

48:08 Speaker 5: So it's so good. So we will almost come to

48:11 Speaker 5: the end of this thing.

48:12 Speaker 2: And at the same time, I always let you in

48:14 Speaker 2: by asking like, is there something that me and our

48:18 Speaker 2: audience can pray for, like maybe with a project or

48:22 Speaker 2: maybe something in your life that we could pray for you.

48:25 Speaker 3: Oh that is so nice. Oh my gosh. I guess.

48:32 Speaker 5: Yeah.

48:32 Speaker 4: You talk about what you can bring to other people, right,

48:36 Speaker 4: what I can bring to other people.

48:37 Speaker 3: And it's always those ideas of.

48:41 Speaker 4: You know, situations or documentary ideas or even for a

48:45 Speaker 4: podcast idea. So yeah, anything, I'm always I'm always trying

48:49 Speaker 4: to I feel like the more I search for them,

48:51 Speaker 4: sometimes it doesn't work.

48:53 Speaker 3: I wait for them to come to me. So I

48:55 Speaker 3: would love that.

48:57 Speaker 4: I would love sayund that prayer and to see if

49:00 Speaker 4: you know something comes up or you know, they can

49:02 Speaker 4: also just DMP.

49:03 Speaker 3: Me and get in touch with me too.

49:05 Speaker 4: If your listeners feel there's something that they think I

49:09 Speaker 4: should talk about.

49:10 Speaker 3: I love to hear that from people as well.

49:13 Speaker 5: I was actually reminded of this passage.

49:15 Speaker 2: I was just thinking of it while I was coming

49:17 Speaker 2: towards this interview of how you know Samuel came looking

49:22 Speaker 2: for David. David didn't go looking for Samuel. You know,

49:24 Speaker 2: Samuel came looking for David to annoying him as the

49:27 Speaker 2: next thing. So in a sense, like how you said,

49:29 Speaker 2: you know, instead of you searching for it, you want

49:33 Speaker 2: them to come to you, you know, And I think

49:36 Speaker 2: sometimes you know that's the way it actually like, you know,

49:39 Speaker 2: when you have the faith and just pray, God is

49:41 Speaker 2: going to make sure that the right things are going

49:44 Speaker 2: to come your way. Like the boy, I would say,

49:45 Speaker 2: siki first, the Kingdom of God and decirighteousness, and these

49:48 Speaker 2: things shall be added unto you. So in a sense

49:50 Speaker 2: that you know you're staying faith, you do your best,

49:52 Speaker 2: have the spirit of excellence. God will bring the right

49:55 Speaker 2: people across your part. God will open the right doors

49:58 Speaker 2: for you, you know, like for to be honest, like

50:01 Speaker 2: when I got this opportunity to interview you, I was like,

50:05 Speaker 2: in one of my lowest moments myself. You know, I

50:08 Speaker 2: just got laid off from my job. And on the

50:11 Speaker 2: day I got laid off, on the day that the

50:13 Speaker 2: day I had to submit my assets, that was the

50:16 Speaker 2: day you said, you know, you confirm that. Okay, I'm

50:18 Speaker 2: going to be on your podcast.

50:20 Speaker 3: You see.

50:20 Speaker 5: You know, guys, this is a wort to encourage you

50:23 Speaker 5: as well.

50:23 Speaker 2: Like you know, you can have issues in your life

50:25 Speaker 2: or challenges that are making you feel down and discouraged,

50:30 Speaker 2: but you know, you never know how even if a

50:32 Speaker 2: door closes, stay in faith, you know, like with Karina,

50:36 Speaker 2: like in the midst of all this, God will make

50:38 Speaker 2: sure that the right doors come, the right opportunities come.

50:41 Speaker 2: And I'm going to close with about a prayer for

50:44 Speaker 2: you so that you know God will continue to bless you,

50:47 Speaker 2: open doors for you, and use you m tally for His.

50:50 Speaker 5: Glory so much. I will do that at this point.

50:55 Speaker 2: At the same time, before we go, I want to

50:57 Speaker 2: share with you guys, you know, to check out my

50:59 Speaker 2: books that are available.

51:02 Speaker 5: You can check them out on Amazon.

51:04 Speaker 2: If you're watching this on YouTube, I'll challenge you to

51:07 Speaker 2: you know, a like, common, share, and subscribe if you're

51:09 Speaker 2: watching this on listening to this on any other podcast platforms.

51:12 Speaker 2: You know, I challenge you to leave a rating and

51:15 Speaker 2: follow as well, so it'll be a great blessing. Follow

51:17 Speaker 2: me on social media, and I also got to put

51:20 Speaker 2: in all Karina's details in my descriptions. You can follow her,

51:25 Speaker 2: stay in that, check out her podcast, and watch out

51:29 Speaker 2: for her movies as well, so I'm sure it's going

51:31 Speaker 2: to be a great thing to check out for us

51:34 Speaker 2: as well. So I'm going to leave by giving you

51:36 Speaker 2: a word of prayer. Lord, I'm want to pray Karina

51:38 Speaker 2: in the name of Jesus.

51:40 Speaker 5: Lord.

51:40 Speaker 2: We want to bless her from the bottom of a heart. Lord,

51:42 Speaker 2: we thank you that you have chosen enough for such

51:46 Speaker 2: a time as this to be a mighty vessel for

51:48 Speaker 2: your glory, to be a person who's the light in

51:51 Speaker 2: the darkness, to you know, continue to shed light into

51:55 Speaker 2: aspects that I've been forgotten. God, I want to pray

51:58 Speaker 2: and bless her that you're gonna hope it those no

52:00 Speaker 2: men can shut. That she's going to find the right

52:02 Speaker 2: people coming across the part, the right opportunities that will

52:05 Speaker 2: toss her to new levels, new projects that are from

52:09 Speaker 2: unexpected sources. God, I believe that you're going to do

52:12 Speaker 2: the impossible in our life of God. Lord, we thank

52:15 Speaker 2: you because you are the doorkeeper, you are the source

52:18 Speaker 2: for her, and we believe that you know you're going

52:21 Speaker 2: to do things that I can't. We can't even imagine

52:24 Speaker 2: that it's going to be far and beyond what a

52:26 Speaker 2: maybe we could ask think or even imagine. Lord, we

52:29 Speaker 2: give you the glory, we give you to on him,

52:32 Speaker 2: and we leave her with your blessing of God.

52:34 Speaker 5: That your presence will go.

52:36 Speaker 2: With her leader guider and her family and every project

52:40 Speaker 2: that she endoors will be a success for the Kingdom

52:42 Speaker 2: of God. In Jesus name, I pray Amen. Thank you

52:46 Speaker 2: so much, guys, Thank you so much, Karina, and it

52:51 Speaker 2: will be very soon.

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