Celebrating 1000 Episodes with Prakruthi Angelina | John Giftah | Christian Singer and Worship Leader

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International. Welcome to Fuel for the Soul with John GIFTA. Hey God,

Rachel, It's that's a joy for me to be with all of you today.

Thank you so much for dropping by. I just want to degree and

declare that God has amazing and stuff for you as well. Here at br

AS, we are celebrating the thousandth episode on the Fuel for the Soul with

John Gift podcast. It's such a joy and honor for me to see what

the Lord has been doing through this podcast. What started off with just mere

voice notes on WhatsApp in twenty thirteen and eventually upgrading to the online platforms and

available on over sixty platforms, trending across the globe on so many platforms,

and ranking in so many nations. It's amazing to see what the Lord has

been doing through this simple act that I just took. As the Lord led

me and I started off and we started having many interviews with so many guests

from across the globe. Some of them you might have seen yourself, whether

it's Stella Romala, the first person I interviewed of that accord, or even

when I was able to interview Holly Star, the Christian singer and musician,

or Pasta Andrew Carter or markin Zo comedy lead actor based in Or last year,

I had the honor of interviewing a Hollywood Disney actress and voiceover artists as

well. So it's amazing. You know, something that I started off as

something small and mediocre. People thought this is crazy, this is weird.

But look what the Lord has done, you know, brought it up to

thousand episodes. And I want you guys to understand it. No matter where

you are today, what you have started, God is able to bring some

greatness out of the great mess. It could be something stupid, but God

is going to bring something of great miracle out of the mediocrity that you're in

right now. So to celebrate and commemorate this amazing milestone of thousand episodes,

I'm here with my friend Precruitie Angelina. Thank you so much for coming in

and thanks for being with us today. Hey, John, thank you.

It's such an honor to be on the thousandth episode. I mean, you've

been doing some really good, consistent work and so awesome to see that.

Like you said, you know, God honors small steps of obedience, and

I'm really happy that we were getting to sit down and talk and thank you

for having me on special housing episode. That's so cool. It's amazing.

I think I've known Precruti even before she became favous, so that is how

I have the waits scene. But it's amazing some of you would have seen

her. In fact, when I was talking about you, I usually don't

tell people before an interview that I'm going to interview someone, but I did

mention to a few people yesterday at church, and the minute I said Pecruti,

they were like, oh my gosh, I listened to her song,

so I've seen her. Oh my gosh, I love this song. So

you're making such a great impact with that song Chatan and Bridge music and all

of these things. So I know you might have heard so many people talk

about this, but I want to ask in this line that there may be

people who are still waiting for the miracle they break through. But what do

you think or can you share a little bit about your story behind Chatan and

how the Lord has led you thus far? Wow? Yeah, So for

me, Chatan was definitely a moment right of God bringing so many different things

together, and it definitely shifted me from hiddenness into visibility in a very big

way. I mean, when I committed to full time ministry in twly seventeen,

at face to face, I started leading worship and people started experiencing God

through the worship and you know, just started receiving blessings through that. But

there was also a time period especially there, where God was just like,

I want you to just worship me, just sit with me. And I

had just quit my job, and you know, I was seeking for something

beyond what I was already doing. I knew that what I was doing was

very fulfilling, like it was. I did my master's in Business Psychology HR

and management. It was really good, but I knew there was something more

to my life. And I had been part of church choir and I'll love

music and all of that, but somehow I'd just put a lock on that

and forgotten all about it because I had waited and tried and dreamed, but

nothing had happened. And then I realized, Okay, maybe God works me

to serve with my gift, you know, and many times worship can become

all about the worship leader and become such a celebrity culture. And I think

God really worked on my heart and my character and the dream took shape so

that it became more about, Okay, how can I serve this world?

Like what did God put me here for? And I think that process led

me down the road of mental health and exploring, you know, how I

can be of help in different areas. So when I finally came to face

to face, I think I had no thought also about like making it big

in the music scene or anything like that, like I'd forgotten about it.

Maybe maybe it was. It was. It was a painful area at one

point, but at this point I think I just I think it was so

far buried. But what God did during that time was slowly, like I

started leading worship and the Indian sound came back into my life. You know,

I wouldn't listen to a lot of Indian worship. It would be more

CCM, and you know, we grew up on a lot of these things.

But I had to go to you know, probably the North or probably

some places in Kannataka and no lead worship. And that's when God even developed

that heart for the worship scene in India slowly. It always had a heart

for India, but especially in regards to worship. And so I think there

was a very long process of preparation for my character, my love for God,

my actual true worship to God. And that's part of the story.

Like that's too much to talk about, but I think Chattan was such a

such an unexpected thing. Honest, even when I went to be part of

Bridge, I knew God is speaking to me about visibility, was like get

ready, I'm going to put you out there, and I knew something big

was coming. I didn't know what or and Chatana is not even a song

that I wrote. Like as Bridge, we got together and we decided,

I mean, Sam has been doing such an amazing job with you know,

Bridge Music India. At that point, they had already been impacting this nation

and it was such an honor to be invited to that, and so I

was just so happy that finally I'm getting to write songs in these passionate lovers

of Jesus. Right, It's not just about great artistry or you know,

putting your song out there, but these people really had a heart to seek

what God wanted to sing over the church or what God wanted to release for

India. And that was so beautiful. And I remember just a couple of

a couple of weeks before this camp, there was such an emptying that I

went through personally with God where I was like, God, I have nothing

to give, Why are you taking me to this cam back. I'm not

as good as these artists and songwriters. I have nothing to give God,

And I don't even know if I you know, I don't even know what

I can do. But I just and God did this for me, Like

there was just such a surrendering and emptying, and I just said, here's

my Yes, I'm just giving myself to you because I said yes to you.

That's all the reason I need to just go and show up and yeah,

I think there was there was a lot that God was doing with us

together, and Chattan was Yeah. I mean, I would just say that

it was the collective fruit of so many people who've gone before us and poured

into the Indian worship scene, pioneered so many things. And now I've got

the opportunity and the privilege to meet so many of them work with them.

But it really comes down to all of that, right, So it's not

been about me. I have been about it, but I think that's what

God set me up for in that moment, and I'm really grateful that my

moment of breakthrough came because of God, it was not because of anyone.

But I'm also really grateful that Bridge and Sam and the whole team. They

created this space and Sam's vision has always been that as well, too call

out the true worshipers, the true David's of our generation. So I'm so

so grateful for that, for the community that I've gotten to have now.

But but yeah, I mean, you can ask me specifics about it,

so much to say about it, but yeah, but it's so summarizing the

whole thing. You had a heart for the Lord, and you know,

and you kept doing what you could do, and God opened the right door

at the right time. You know. Yeah, that's the most important thing,

guys. I mean what you may say, John, I want to

go to the palace, but all I'm sitting is, you know, in

a normal home like Joseph. But you have no idea how God is going

to orchestrate yourselves. You have no idea. You didn't expect this one song

will change the trajectory of your life. You know, you thought is just

another song. I just want to saying. I mean, of course there

are things got plays in your spirit, but then you know you and the

amazing thing is it happened through the pandemic. When people are actually going through

struggles. You were actually prospering through the pandemic. I mean in the sense

that you know, you may go through the wilderness, you may go through

difficult seasons in your life, but God can use that season to be the

platform to demonstrate His power through your life. So you can instead of giving

up, instead of thinking that nothing great can come out of your life,

I encourage you to, you know, keep pushing forward, keep moving towards

the things that God placed in you. Uh. And that's the beautiful thing.

How even this song, I mean, Precruity is not just a you

know, songwriter worship leader. She's also into counseling and the Lord has also

been using her as a as a voice in the Christian music space. And

so this particular song called Chatan, I know many of you watch around the

world, so you may say, oh, I don't know him they I

mean, this song is also I have having the lyrics in English, and

I think we had also released this in English. You were part of the

translation, right, I know, I think mostly it was her. Yeah,

but there's such a powerful rendition, So you guys can check this out.

This is going to be a powerful song. And God has been using

her through our YouTube channel and all of those things. So what is your

word of encouragement for those who are still waiting for their miracle, their breakthrough,

saying that you have no idea how God is going to suddenly show up?

Right. I'm glad you brought out that specific point because I remember twenty

nineteen, just November twenty nineteen, I remember October thirty. First, I

was just like I'd been obeying the lot, got to just told me be

at home. He didn't even let me take up a job, and I

was like, uh, you know what people are saying, you know,

finances are difficult. My mom. I want to support her and all of

these things are happening. But I was just trying my best to be faithful

to God. Twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen especially right like that was a season

of prep for ministry as well. And I remember November first, I wanted

to launch this fundraising campaign because I was like, what can I do God,

Like, I don't have money. I want to support this like House

of pre Face to Face was starting the deli branch at that time, right

they needed funds. I was saying, I want to give, but I

don't know how. And that's when this wave of inspiration, I think it

was the Holy Spirit just to breathe this idea into my heart of just you

know, trying to raise funds through songs. And I've never been someone who

wants to put out my music on YouTube and my own channel. I just

didn't want to do all of that. But I was like, Okay,

you know what, people are requesting certain songs and they want to listen,

so maybe I'll do it this way. Because I didn't want to make it

about me. But so that's when I think I even started putting out my

worship and music, and Sam actually saw that one of those videos I did

a cover of Wonder Lum and they knew about me. But that was later

when I found out that that was his decision point. And so, like

John was saying, you don't know what is going to lead to your moment

of breakthrough, and the main thing is God wants your heart for himself,

right, Because if God had not prepared me John adequately for that moment of

breakthrough, I don't think I would have been able to handle what came,

the success or the visibility or the attention. I really think, you know,

God prepares us to carry our gift so that our gift does not destroy

us, so that the anointing doesn't destroy us. But we were able to

carry that and host it and you know, be true to him because the

gifts of God are devocable, but your character and your relationship with him is

an ongoing journey that God wants to preserve, you know. So yeah,

again I see that parallel between you and Joseph right like you went through that

season, but as a platform, like he showcased his gift to the cup

bearer, and that was the cup bearer who opened the door for him to

go to the palace. And Bridge music has been the comparer for you.

You had no idea that you know, you have no idea what's going to

be the cup better in your life. So be faithful with every relationship,

honor. Every person got placed in your heart and in your life, and

God is going to use them in unexpected ways. Uh. And and like

you said, initially he thought the dream was about him, you know,

he thought I was just going to see everyone bow down before me. But

eventually the dream came to pass, but not about him. But he was

saving nations through that, and you're saving lives through that. I've seen,

you know. For this interview, I was going through the common section,

so many people pouring out saying, you know, how this song ministered and

all of those things you know, you nation, you know, And I

think the song has around almost twenty million views on YouTube alone. That's like,

like, imagine how many people in that would have been blessed like at

that moment, saved through that song or you know, minister through that.

And sometimes it's not just the song but your story and everything can inspire people

and encourage and I think it's made such an impact, just like Joseph did.

And like you said, one more thing you said, you know,

most people focus on the gift, but the gift will take you to the

throne, but only your character can keep you on the throne. That's how

Solve missed his destiny. And so you went through that season of preparation that

kept you ready for such a moment. And so guys, be ready when

the moment strikes in your life as well. So before we go into the

meat of the meat, when you're talking about worship, okay, since you're

into the worship's phase, I wanted to do some being fun starting off.

So okay, so I want to see how much you know about the worship

songs that you watchip I mean, I know you didn't watch the song.

You watch a god through the song. So I'm going to tell you maybe

a line from a song, and I want you to identify the song.

Do it? Okay? So first song, Okay, it's a very simple

one. So you're perfect in all your ways, good father? Yeah,

okay, very simple okay, okay, So our sickness see your head lying

low? I hope you be my Oh you found it? Okay, that's

yeah, okay. So they may do a contours okay, okay, like

a sloppy, wet kiss and my heart turns violently inside my chest. How

he loves us. I thought you would be like, oh my gosh,

Okay, it is so simple. Okay. Jason told me it's so simple,

and I was like, no, at least you won't find the third

one. Okay, last tie is very simple, like a rushing wind surrender

by his song. Yeah, okay, she's yes, Oh God, okay,

I should I should, I should do this to you. I should

be asking you the song cues, Yeah, I wouldn't. The song is

that I have no clue. You have any clues? Scooby would probably no

some mystery to him. So tell me in three words, what how do

you describe your life story? Three words they phrases or three words? Okay,

to try and do this challenge, Okay. I think the first would

be grace, the grace of God. We talk about it a lot,

but it literally has been nothing but the grace of God to find me in

my pain, you know, to meet me in all of the different things

that I went through. So much unforgiveness, heard heartedness, bitterness. I

don't think anyone could have seen that person and called out who I am today

except God. And that's what he does, that's what he's best at doing.

He makes beauty out of absolute messes. And just the unconditional love and

grace of God has been such a theme in my life of just not just

changing me, but also you know, causing that grace to flow to others.

Like the reason I'm able to love people, not judge them, create

these safe spaces for them, even in terms of mental health or whatever it

might be, is because God first showered that grace into my life. And

I think everything that I'm able to do today, whether it's travel, music,

there was a time when the enemy was after my voice in such a

big way. I thought I would never be able to sing. My health

was so bad, so traveling it was just impossible at that time. Right,

So the grace of God is so beautiful, and more than the grace

of God, it's God himself, the God of grace. So I think

that's definitely one theme. Even today, I needed his grace every single day.

Right. Another thing I think for me would be worshiped I won't go

into details of my destiny. Maybe they can find that somewhere else. But

I think in short, my family separated when I was ten, right like,

my dad left, and that caused a whole lot of different things,

and we would pray for restoration. A lot of other people would pray for

restoration, even if we didn't want the rest. Of course, God's heart

is reconciliation and restoration of families, and so a lot of people would pray

for that, and we were waiting for that also for a long time.

But I think the heart of worship for me really grew when we would pray

for things but we wouldn't see that happening. We would pray for healing,

we would pray for finances, all of these things that you know they pray

for in church, and they're like, your miracle is coming soon, and

you know it wasn't happening though, and I thought, maybe something is wrong

with me, my faith is not enough, and all of those things.

It was a very long hard journey of waiting and waiting and waiting. But

in that process what happened was we didn't get our answers, but God became

our answer. God became our blessing. He became the thing that took the

place of everything else. And it was an instant. It wasn't overnight.

It would be like so many times wanted to quit the faith, didn't want

to trust God. What is the point of all this? But through that

long process, I think the greatest thing that I've gained, which I would

never trade for anything else now looking back, is God himself and just the

heart to know him, to love him and to be loved by him.

And so I think that's where my worship comes from. That's why it's unashamed,

it's not dependent on anything. And I think that is a huge,

huge blessing for me. He's the greatest treasure. So and I think only

he can do that. There's no credit to me to be like such a

great worshiper that he does his process with our hearts. Yeah. And the

third I don't know. Actually, third I didn't think about. Maybe the

love of God. Yeah, I think it would be the love of God

literally transformed my life. I was never able to love people, love myself,

but the unconditional love of God. Yeah, I can talk about it

all the time, but yeah, I think that would be the theme and

for me, the theme of my life, at least from now till my

last breath, is to see people falling in love with Jesus and really knowing

who he is and really knowing his love. So, yeah, nice,

that's nice. That's nice. I've gotten to know so much has been happening

in the Indian worship scene, and it's incredible to see, like the sound

of our nation, the sound of different cultures and languages coming forth like this.

I think bridge really just the obedience that Sam had and the whole team

has contributed to. It's been amazing to be part of it. I'm really

grateful and really humbled to be bang in the center of it. But if

you just take a step back also and just see what God has been doing,

it's quite amazing. Actually, earlier this year, I think you were

there, right, let us worships. Sean had come to Banks. Yeah,

so he was sharing about the same thing, right, we heard of

the American Avid worships. The sound that's most of them, you know,

don mind and all of them are you were UK obviously Martin Smith and others

and or ill song from Australia. But here's a moment for India. Also

to come up with its own sound correct, and I think Bridge music has

bridge that gap and it's making an impact. And yeah, twenty million is

not in some small number, like there are literally so many people who are

hurting. And that's one of the things guys see even in the ministry,

seeing people have don't mean you're not in the US, you don't have this,

you don't have that. But you know, God is able to bring

out what is unique about us, right, you know what I mean?

I involved Scooby Doo, I invol you know what is unique about me comedy

and uh in even the language perspective and all of these things. You know

that is what is different about you is what will actually make the difference in

the lives of people, right Like, instead of trying to be like others,

trying to you know, okay, this is how something typical should be,

but how can we be in our own way? Yeah? And I

think about the Throne room where every tribe, every tongue, every people group

is right there worshiping the Lord, right, and that's that's God and that's

his heart. So in a in a brief way, explained what his worship

whoa a brief way sign up for my four month school of worship. I

don't have a scholar warship, but we have one at face to face,

which absolutely transform my life. Just unintentional luck. But since he said briefly

about worship, oh wow, okay, worship can be defined as a lot

of different things. There's so much to it. But I go back always

to what Jesus said to you know in John four. Yeah, and he

said, the Father is seeking worshippers who will worship him in the spirit and

truth. And I was just thinking about it this morning and I realized all

the more, right, like this person, she says, you worship God

on that mountain, and we worship God on this mountain. Right, And

then Jesus says, my father, and we know heavenly Father. We have

been introduced to that concept. But at that point she would have been like,

who's father, What are you talking about? Right? And I find

that to be a really significant thing that Jesus demonstrated he had a living,

beautiful relationship with his father. And he said, everything that I'm doing is

because I see my father doing it, and I hear my father saying it,

and I only speak what I hear him say. And I do what

I see him do. And I think that is the truest expression of worship.

Where you are looking at God and you are beholding him. There is

nothing separating you from God because Jesus has literally turned it upside down right,

our whole relationship with God. Jesus did that, he finished it on the

cross, and because of that we have this unhindered communion with God. And

so that's what worship is. To look at God, to relate with him,

to commune with him, and to live out your life from that place

in spirit and truth. So I think that's that's what worship. It's because

a lot of people think that when it comes to worship, it's like the

slow songs that we have in the praise and worship back right, because the

fast songs are called you know. I think I was speaking about this with

Derek long ago about two years ago, and I said, is that the

difference? I mean, I mean, he said, that's the experience worship.

Yeah, I know the series in worship, so I didn't want it

to repeat the same segments. But then, uh, but then that's something

that people need to be reminded. That's that's it's not just about this song.

It's it's an expression like from your heart. What is your act of

worship? What is your expression of worship? You know, last week I

was minute string in the Methodist church for the first time and they asked me

to speak from the lady in Bethany. She came and poured up a perfume,

right, And most of the time the focus is on the fact that

you know, she spent so much of money. But then the Lord gave

me this revelation that in John it actually says John twelve that this was the

main person who complained was Judas. And then you realize then the revelation that

came to me was he was not complaining about so much of money that was

spent because if she had given in the form of cash, he would have

been the happiest person. Why because he can see more money. Correct.

Yeah, So the reason he complained was because it was in the form of

perfume. She he couldn't take any part of it. Yeah, he couldn't

take any part of it. It was something very personal between she and Jesus.

So if you give something just because everybody's singing and you sing, that

may or may not be actual worship because you're giving the form of like giving

in the form of cash, because everybody is giving the form of cash.

But can you have your own personal expression of worship? That's really good.

So that's the thing, you know. So for me it can be something

very different from somebody else. I can't relate personally. I can't relay through

songs for me, I can. You'll leave me. I'll be jumping dancing,

you know. That's my form of version, you know. So have

your own essence of worship, have your own expression of worship, and that

is what will make it from your heart. And and one more thing,

why do you think you need to worship God like you worship God to say,

okay, God, you are God. But He's already God. Your

worship has not going to change that. So why do you think people need

to worship God? That's a good one. I allow what you shed because

you know, worship is about love, and love gives right, like love

doesn't take. Love gifts right. And so I think that would lead into

the next question. Because God doesn't need us, He doesn't really need anything

from us. He doesn't need affirmation to be like, oh yeah, I

need to feel good about myself today. Please praise me, Please tell me

who I am. You know, he doesn't need that. But like you

said, you know, there was a point when I would start dancing in

worship. And I'm not a natural dancer. Oh sorry, I'm not a

natural dancer. It doesn't come easily to me, and I don't feel very

comfortable doing it in public, at least I never used to. But just

doing that under God came from such a pure place of love, not being

bothered about anyone else. And that intimate giving, I think, is all

is what worship is about. And so we don't need to worship God.

He didn't need to come and save us. But love does things that you

know, there's no frame of reference or understanding for. I think I think

that's I think that's what I would say, at least about that. You

know, there's so much to worship, Like you said, worship is sacri

fires, worship is obedience, worship is on all of that, but it

comes from a place of intimacy of just giving yourself to God. Yeah,

very similar to what you're saying. Like, you know, if I dance,

it's like mister Bean dancing. It's so weird. But people used to

actually make fun, even not in a serious way. But then John,

I saw you dancing in church. I can't be quiet, but that's who

I am. But but you know, just like this lady right, what

she did. I mean, if you look at it in a little sense,

in front of everybody, she comes and posts perfume on Jesus, on

the head of Jesus and the feet of it looks professional. It was just

imagine you know year it said, okay, if I come and pour on

you, or you come and me, I mean, how stupid would that

be? You know? But that's where we realize, Like you said,

you know, God is not looking for just trying to be professional or diplomatic,

but intimate before him. You know, you don't have to about other

people, but just and also I remember in John eleven, also it's only

when one of this comes and worships Jesus. Jesus say is okay, come

on, let's go, and you know, raise lesses back to life.

So worship is that key that raises things back to life. Worship is the

thing I mean, don't worship with an intention of doing that. But you

have no idea. What can what are the walls that can come down when

you actually take time to worship God in your life as well. And how

do you worship God when you don't feel like it? So there's two things

to this, right, And I was thinking about this this morning. Our

feelings are something that we have always learned to suppress or ignore or avoid.

And I think even this question comes up because of that, right, Like,

Okay, in a sense, like our feelings either take the place of

everything. We are just led by our feelings. We want to do what

we feel like, or we ignore it, you know. And I've found

that. I think maybe four or five years if you'd asked me this question,

my answer might have been different. But now God is not. First

of all, God is not an autocrat. He's not like worshiping now,

you know. He wants us. He wants the whole of who we are,

right And so I think it would be nice to look at our emotions

as part of us and just even acknowledged, take a moment to even acknowledge,

why don't you feel like worshiping God? You know, I don't think

we necessarily have asked that enough. Why don't I feel like worshiping God?

Right now? What's really going on? Here, you know, and then

to be okay with whatever is going on. Okay, maybe there's anger,

maybe there's frustration. Maybe there was a season in my life where I was

offended with God for something. I didn't even know it until there was this

worship moment. And you know, worship has a way of doing that in

the present. Music has a way of doing that. It reaches your soul,

it brings out things, and I was like, oh my gosh,

I didn't even know that there was this pain and anger towards God in my

heart. I was fine with God. I was struggling to connect with him,

but I didn't know what was happening. So I really think it's beautiful

to ask, okay, what's actually going on, and I allow God to

shed some light and truth into that area and then meet him in that process.

God, right now I'm feeling this, Just acknowledge that and say,

but I still acknowledge the truth of who you are in my life. You

are still faithful, you are still good, you are still kind. You

are unchanging My feelings, Yes, they are temporary. I'm feeling this right

now. I may not feel this another hour from now, or maybe I

might right but to just allow God into that journey of your own emotions.

I think is one way to worship Him with your emotions as well. And

there are sometimes when you can't figure out what's going on when you don't know,

and as sometimes when you need to set your mind and say no,

I'm going to worship God no matter how I feel. But I think it's

helpful to do both. Don't ignore your feelings, right, like, don't

ignore your emotions. And I think that's where intimacy again comes. Yeah,

in line with what I was just sharing, Like sometimes people have that diplomatic

relationship because where it's like, you know, I hate you, but I

still smile because you know like that right, Yeah, why would you do

that before God? Yeah, so don't do that. You don't have to

do that before God. Be yourself before God, open up yourself and say

God, you know what, I don't feel like doing this. And I

think that is really the heart of worship. It's being open and not just

faking it for the sake of you know, Oh, I need to get

this on that, you know, because God cares about you in that time,

right, like we were made to worship him. So if something is

stopping you from worshiping him. There's something going on and God wants to help

you with that. But many times we look at God as I need to

come before him perfectly to worship him. But it's a relationship and He is

for us, Like why would he give us the Holy Spirit if not for

that? Yeah, Holy Spirit is there inside of us in the innermost places

where we may not know our emotions, but God knows exactly what's going on,

and so yeah, he cares about us. That's the bottom line.

And many times when I know I'm not able to I just start speaking in

tons when I'm not able to connect. That's so that way I'm not faking

it for the sake of doing it. When you're speaking in tons, what

happens, the Scripture says is that you know your spirit and God is actually

communing with God, you know, and in through the heavenly language, and

it can really make a difference. Guys. You know, I know some

of you watch from different denominations, but I can tell you that speaking in

tongues is from the Scripture and it is still there for today. It's not

just done and dusted in the Bible times. So you know, that's something

that you can really consider when you don't feel like feel like worshiping God,

and how do you have that lifestyle of worship? How do you have the

lifestyle of worship? Yeah, I think one thing definitely is allowing God into

every room of your life. It takes work sometimes, it takes a little

bit of courage, surrender, being honest and open before God. But why

would you hide your life from God? Anyway? He knows it all,

He sees it all. So just opening up every room of your life,

unlocking the places of your heart, and journeying with God every day. Right,

That's what it is. And so I mean, I'm telling you there's

nothing that comes close to those that way of living with God, that intimacy

with God is nothing that comes close to it. I wouldn't trade it for

anything, you know, to just wake up in the morning and say good

morning God because you want to not because you know, sometimes I have not

done that. I've taken my phone and gone into those but there are days

anyway coming it's just like, Wow, can you just speak to him,

connect with him and love him and be loved by him and saying good morning

God from that place, right, It's so special. Intimacy with God.

Like like you said, Mary's gift, Mary's relationship with God so special.

So between Jesus and her, I think that is very precious. And that's

what I watched. A lifestyle looks like it's a daily relationship with God.

That's true. And always go back to that place if you feel like you're

not able to worship God. Check like what if there's an idol in your

heart? Like just even now, for example, now that we hit thousand

episodes right with the podcast, every now and then, I keep checking myself.

Lord, I don't want the podcast to become an idol, like if

the day you tell me to stop, even now, I'm contemplating like not

stop actually, but I've been praying about this that if if the Lord is

saying, you know, I want you to are you willing to let go

of you know, the ranking? Are you willing to stop it? Because

I want you to check your heart? I mean I always check and introspect

every area, like so even if something is holding you close to your heart,

like you know, I love Scooby Doo. So there was a season

when I was like, God, can I live without Scooby Doo for one

month? You know, as introspecting like that. You know, whatever is

something precious to you, you know, get to that place and check can

that become your idol? Or is that your idol even without you knowing?

Even your ministry, even your endeavors, even your work, you know,

can that take the place of God? If that is the case, then

that could be an hindrance to your worship. So you know, the day

you decide to remove those you know, false idles from your heart and you

know, and it's not just saying, you know, I remove and renounce

them, but you know, take some drastic steps steps like I said,

you know, the month I took a break from Scooby Doo is a month

I took to show that, you know, Scooby do is not man.

I can live without it, you know. So or even the podcast I'm

you know, showing God, love God, you know what, I'm open

for this whatever you have for me. So that's what is trusting in the

Lord all about. And get to that lifestyle where you just go with the

flow of the spirit and your life will never be the same for the matter.

Your word for budding singers artists, Okay, wow, this is going

to be a long one. No, okay, So what I want to

say to I think artists and songwriters. I feel like I've been talking too

much about the last two hours. No, what I would like to say

for what I would like to say to budding artists and songwriters is this right.

God has made us to create. We all have creative expressions inside of

us. Whether it's the way we dress, whether it's the way we speak.

We are all uniquely made and we all have this deep desire in us

to express and I think that's part of God's design, Like we are made

in God's image. God is constantly expressing himself. Have you seen the sunrise

today? Maybe not, you woke up too late like me, But when

you look at the sunset every day, it's different, right, It's be

real, guys. I'm not a morning person. I love mornings, but

every day is beautiful. It's unique. God is constantly expressing himself through us,

through nature. We are made to express. Right. So, as

a songwriter and as an artist, whatever you're doing, there is going to

be a deep drive for you to be seen, to be heard, to

be understood, right, And I think the mistake that a lot of us

end up making is we think that if only people can see me, can

hear me and know me and appreciate me, I will feel great, I

will be something amazing, and I will be a success. But I want

to tell you that the only person who can truly validate us, you can

truly love us for all our expressions, is God. And this need to

be seen and to be heard and to be known. Only God can truly,

truly truly meet that need. Right. And so it's very important for

us, especially as artists and creatives, to have our identity really really secure

in who God calls us to be, what He thinks of us, and

then to create from that place, because when you create from that place,

there's so much freedom to be true to who God has made you to be,

to not try and get the likes, get the applause of people.

But that's the true freedom of sorry, that's the true freedom of creating from

a place where you are connected with God and you partner with God, you

co write, you co design with God. Right. And I think that's

amazing that our creativity, especially as spirit fled believers, we get to create

with the Holy Spirit. And I think everyone does create with the help of

the Holy Spirit, life. Anything that gives life I believe comes from God.

But you and I get to relate with Him as we do it right,

And that's some of my favorite parts of creating is that, and so

more than the technical and all of that, for me, the main point

of advice will be let your identity be set on God. Let it be

drawn from God and not from the things you create, because what you create

is an expression, it's an overflow, and it's not the means to anything.

Right, Like, your creatively is your gift to the world. So

you draw whatever you need from God and then let that overflow in whatever expression

God has put in you. That is your gift to the world. Like

Chatan, I know God has done so much so that the video like,

but I don't track the views. I don't think about that because that's not

like that's not doing anything for me technically. I mean in terms of my

identity, my work with God, my worth. Yes, people are looking

at me differently, there are opportunities that have All of that is there,

But let your art be a gift and let your affirmation come from God,

not from what you're creating. That's what I would say is so true.

See even my books, Okay when I wrote them, Like initially, the

Lord is showing me this that you sometimes people you can't go and tell people

you know read the Bible. And then the Lord is saying, you know,

this book has been read by people of other faiths also a lot of

people. Uh, and then God is showing you know, this is the

Bible for them. You know what I mean, what you create is the

Bible for them. It's the message from God. I'm not I'm not saying

this sequel to the Bible or I'm not that. Yeah, but even the

song, right, Like, you can't go and tell somebody you know,

read the Bible. But then if you say I have a song you know

I've sung and you know it has this many views, people are gonna definitely

go and check out. Even I saw common people of Father faces and commenting

on that. So you know, your creativity is a way you can use

to build God's kingdom. Okay, it's not just for you. It's not

for building your empire, but to build God's kingdom. So when you have

that heart, you're not trying to impress, you're not trying to write.

See when I had to write this book. I had to spend literally eight

hours a day along in my full time job and you know things like that,

and you know, it's not easy. It's not not doing this because

I get any big benefit out of you know, unless I told you that

I wrote a book, many of you may not even know that. You

know. So that's the thing. But that's where the heart is, that's

where the thing is. You know, you do for God. And but

by God's class, I actually hit number one in India on episode. So

God's ways are his own ways. So you don't have to worry about that.

You just focus on creating. God will do the rest. Yeah,

that's really good. I just want to say Sam always used to say this.

Sam the founder of Bridge Music, and I've heard this spot times.

Right, songs can go as Songe's cant songs can reach. And also then,

so if you're a songwriter, know that you have a lot of power.

The things that you write, the things that you put in a song,

it really matters. So it's important to also draw from the word of

God, from the truth of God, because what you put in a song

is what people are going to be singing for a long long time. Right,

And I think I lost I lost what what did you say other than

there was something as that you said that was really good? I lost that

creating thing. I mean, it's just using to build, using it to

build. God's came that's rights, That's okay. So anything any other thing

in your mind that you want to share about, what's your what's in your

heart about you know, for the body of Christ, or what is your

any other topics in your heart that you want to You spoke a lot.

Yeah, thank you for patiently listening to me as well. No, I

mean, I just hope that these kind of conversations, you know, really

help you understand deeper what a walk with God looks like, you know,

what all aspects are there? Right? I think maybe one thing that I

would want to say, since I'm featuring on the thousandth episodes and all of

that, right, right, Yeah, I think I just want to say

that maybe people might look at my life from the outside and think that,

WHOA, she's doing this, she's doing that. She's in ministry. And

people tend to put people in ministry on a pedestal. It just happens,

and especially when God does choose people for specific things. God does annoying people,

and his power does move through us, right, But I do want

to encourage us to not put people on pedestals and not to make them and

not to have the celebrity culture. Also in the church, it really hurts

my heart when I see, you know, power balances, and I do

think about this a lot. Right. God has chosen certain people for certain

things. Moses was chosen to lead people into deliverance, into freedom, and

God is always doing that right. But God's heart is through Jesus to empower

each of us, because each of us is a superstar in God's eyes.

That is the truth. He's not made anyone lesser than anyone else. That's

not who my God is. I'm just saying like He has designed us with

so much intention. You are God's dream, you are God's treasure. And

so I think for me, my heart is ready to see everybody understand their

individual call, their purpose. What is God's dream for your life when he

made you right? And so to really walk in that and do not have

this whole thing of who that person is. Of course, everyone has a

different journey and different story with God. There is a price to pay.

I think each of us who is on the platform, always doing things.

You know, I mean, don't underplay it either. There is a reason

God promotes certain people. There is a price, there is a journey,

there is a process. But I'm saying if you trust the Lord, and

if you submit and surrender to him, you don't know what he can do

with your life. And I would rather my life be a weapon in God's

hands, a tool in his hands, and be a part of his eternal

story that build my own name or build my own you know which will fade

away? I don't know, not even a few years, right, So

yeah, don't exalt fame or influence in any of those things. But like

he said, the main purpose for us is to seek God to make his

name known on this earth. And I think the best way to do that

would be a daily living relationship with the Father, right, Like I said,

that is worshiped to me and to just yeah, to just summarize this

whole conversation for me, it would be everything in our life comes to a

standstill and comes to vanity if we don't have God in it, right,

if you don't have intimacy with Him. So I think my message would be

would be just that Now, that's so good. Well, any words towards

me, the ministry and the podcast, like what I mean, Like I

said, congratulations on the thousandth episode. It takes a lot of consistency and

hard work. I mean, we know v hand Bihan is a common friend

and I've seen that in her as well, right like that she's so dedicated,

and I really admire the consistency that it takes to get something going.

Just the fact that you've been coming here, you know, doing so much

work for so many years. I really believe that one it is the grace

of God. God gives us the passion and the fervor to do it.

And the only way get better at things is also by just going and doing

it, and you know, having these standards of excellence. And so I

just want to say, may God bless you and all that you're doing,

and may he you know, as you approach these new territories as well,

may He give you the resources and the wisdom and also help you impact the

people that He has assigned for you to impact, you know, through your

life. And so yeah, thanks for having me all your podcast. Oh

cool, thank you. So how can people stay connected with your stuff?

I mean, of course I'll put the link to your website and your Instagram

account on the description anything else, there's so many things. I know you

said you're not into self advertising, so see that's one one counseling. Okay,

yeah, okay, So I mean my main focus areas are of course

songwriting and my songs. Looking forward to hopefully putting out more music out there,

and of course mental health is something I'm passionate about, especially in the

church, but so I'm also looking forward to probably doing some conversations on it,

some more podcasts, never know. So you can stay in touch through

my Instagram and also my website. It's just property Angina dot com. And

yeah, if you need any kind of help with regards to mental health,

make sure you reach out to us. I also have another page it's called

Pebbles from my Journey specifically for faith and mental health intersection. So yeah,

I would love to just connect with you and have you be part of our

community. Also do a weekly Bible study when I'm not traveling for the ones

who really want to just connect and have that space. So yeah, if

I've missed anything else out you will find it on my Instagram. So yeah,

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