Charlie Kirk Memorial Reflections | Firsthand Experience, Boldness, and Unity in CHRIST | Hanna and John Giftah

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0:41 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fuel for the Soul with John Gifta.

0:49 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Welcome to this edition of the Fuel for the Soul with John Gifta Podcasts. It's such a joint honor for me to be with you today, and I'm also so grateful to have Hannah with us all the from Arizona. Hannah, thank you so much for joining us today.

1:04 Speaker 3: Hello, it's an honor being here.

1:07 Speaker 4: Thank you.

1:09 Speaker 2: So the thing is this, you know how I connected with Hannah is that recently we had this Charlie Kirk's memorial and you guys know how this has been such a monumental moment. That's taking place, and you know, to see the way God has been leading and directing, it's amazing, you know, Like personally, I do not know if I shared this with you, but you know, while that was happening in the United States, I was in my room in the middle of the night and I was having encounters with God at that moment. You know, it went on to you know, like past one thirty or two in the middle of the night in our time.

1:48 Speaker 2: But in spite of that, it was so powerful. So you can imagine even though this was happening in Arizona, it is happening all over the world. This is such a monumental thing. And that's the reason. The minute I knew that you attended in person, I thought, you know what, you should be the person I should check on. What was the thing that was happening in person? What was it feeling like to be there in person attending this.

2:14 Speaker 4: Memorial service.

2:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, first thing, I'm let me just tell you that I'm very shocked by how much he's known, not just in America, because I only thought that he was known here in the States, but when I heard that even people from my country and in the Philippines, when I heard that they know about him too, and then in India and then London everywhere. I was like, wow, I never realized how big of an impact he's made. So it's amazing what even social media can do. It can be used for the bad, but also it could be used for the good, and thankfully Charlie Kirk has had that effect with the help of technology.

2:58 Speaker 3: But yeah, let me just go on and talk about my experience.

3:02 Speaker 2: And before you go, I just wanted to add that when you were saying the impact, right, I was reminded of how, you know, there were so many marches happening even in UK and uh, you know, and I was surprised that even in some of the states in India they had put up billboards for Charliicok.

3:18 Speaker 4: I didn't know the.

3:19 Speaker 2: Impact of Tarliicook as much as even now, Like you're surprised even I was surprised.

3:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, but it's great that his voice came all the way in, not just in America, as I said, but all over the world. It's amazing. Yes, so let me tell you. I mean, even as a local here in Arizona, I didn't think about really going in well maybe I did, but then I didn't want to involve my husband because I know he's he's more of a musician, okay, and he I would like him to spend the weekend resting because he's a busy man, you know. But when my friends or not friends, actually I did.

4:04 Speaker 3: I do have friends who came over here from California, but I have family who decided to come over. And I said, you know what, since they're coming, or since they're going, and I care a lot about what happened, then I might as well go. And you know, I remember that time I found out that he I found out actually that he he got shot, and I was already praying and I was thinking that he would get out of it. But when I found out that it happened that he passed away, you know, I was just at a random grocery store, and you know, it's just stopped for me, and you know, it's very it was a very somber moment.

4:49 Speaker 3: But you know, in as even Erica says Erica Kirk, Charlie's uh widow, she would say that Romans eight twenty eight, everything works together for good, for those who love him, for those who are called according to his purpose. And she said that, So it's you know, going back to this memorial, we saw that, you know, we saw that there were so many people who went, There were people who inside the inside that stadium, the one that I was in, there was seventy five thousand people that could fit in there.

5:31 Speaker 3: And then there was another stadium about a thirty minute walk away, and about twenty thousand people can fit in there, So that was the cutoff. So there was at least the number of Yeah, the number of people who were there to attend was one hundred thousand, and there were at least one hundred thousand more who weren't able to get in, So you know, yes, I'm sad about them not being able to experience being there in person. And that also includes some of my friends who came over. I didn't get to go with them.

6:08 Speaker 3: But just seeing the impact that Charlie Kirk made on not just America, but maybe there were people who came from all over the world and it was you know, it's very inspiring. But also you can see how much of a heart that people saw it translated through the screen, even if they saw him on social media. So it's such going back, it's such a privilege that I was able to go that. I was very thankful. I will tell you. At first, I remember when I got inside around eight am, I was complaining, okay, because I was like, huh, why are we in this side?

6:51 Speaker 3: I can't see the faces of the people who are who are who are talking? But thinking about it, at this point I changed my perspective and I realized, wait, I can see the people who are here, and I will say, yes, there are Christians, but also there are people who just appreciated Charlie Kirk for who he was. Whether they're I don't know whether they're let's say, on the political space, whether they're conservative, they're Democrat. When it comes to faith, even if they're they're not Christian or maybe there's Catholic or something else.

7:31 Speaker 3: They just appreciated him for standing up for free speech. And so it's not just the the it is the Christian side, and that's what he primarily wanted to be known for. But also he just real he just made it made a big impact on people's lives, especially being in America, our first amendment is free speech speech. Still, yeah, he was very big on that. He gave everyone the boys, even if he disagreed with them or they disagreed with each other.

8:04 Speaker 4: But also.

8:06 Speaker 3: I think one other other thing is that I was able to talk to people. Of course, we would be in line for food, or we would just be walking toward the stadium, and we would be able to talk to sage to that, Hey, where who are Where are you guys from? So I found people who are local. I found people from Alabama, from Tennessee, from Las Vegas, literally from all over the globe, or at least in this case, I met people from America, but I heard that there were people that came from other countries too. So what a privilege it was to be there?

8:45 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I mean. Like you said, it's such a monumental thing. Like you you you feel like, oh, I was just one among the crowd, but then you were at least able to be a part of history, you know, like somebody like me. I was just worshiping, and I was like, oh my gosh, I wish I could be there. But you know, but in a sense, you know, that's that's an amazing privilege for you to you know, get together, you know, like beave with people. And and I and I also heard that, you know, people started off like way early in the morning, like five AM or something like that.

9:22 Speaker 2: What time did you get there?

9:26 Speaker 3: So for me, so I got there, Okay, I'll tell you. I'll answer the question, but I'll also tell you my special case. So my case was that I woke up around I think four fifteen AM, and then I went to where my family's hotel was, which is closer to the stadium. I got there around five thirty and then we got to the line for parking at around six, so we tried getting into the parking lot. We stayed. We stayed in line for about an hour, and we were My uncle was like, you know what, I don't think we're going to get in.

10:09 Speaker 3: I don't think we can get in on time. So what he did was he just went to the neighborhood close by, well not even close, about two miles away, and he found a parking spot there and we walked all the way for two miles. I mean, I like walking, so I'm fine with that. But I have an aunt who is in a wheelchair. And the thing about America, or at least where I live in the West Coast, I kept for every part of America. Maybe it's the same, but because she was in a wheelchair. They gave special special privilege to her along with the family, so we were able to get in.

10:51 Speaker 3: And I mean God used that for our family. But I mean I'm glad that that I was able to go there.

11:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so nice. I like to give messages out of random things.

11:06 Speaker 4: Guys.

11:06 Speaker 2: Sometimes you the things that you complain about are the things God might use to actually, you know, use you, or to bless you, or to take you to the places.

11:14 Speaker 4: That you need to go.

11:15 Speaker 2: So stop complaining and start being grateful for it. That is so nice. So when you were in person, all right, there's so many things. I mean I was looking at like you said, uh, there's a heerca speech when she said I forgive him, or even when I when you look at all of these people, because I have a huge heart for the United States, and I know most of these people, whether it's the journalists or you know, the politicians, most almost all of them.

11:43 Speaker 4: I knew them.

11:45 Speaker 2: And I was really surprised to see some of them, you know, like who were not that much in the things of God, or some people who are not I've never seen them express their Christian beliefs before to actually come out and quote scriptures and uh, you know, uh and and one of the things that really caught my attention was Don Junior's speech, you know, President Trump's Sons speech, when he gave this example of Stephen and how Jesus was standing on the right hand side.

12:15 Speaker 4: You know, that.

12:16 Speaker 2: Revelation was like, oh man, this is like a natural preaching material, you know what I mean. There's not something like see anybody can come and quote one Bible verse something like that. But for somebody to speak something like that, you know, there should be a great impact in you like you know this, So I'm really amazed, Like even if somebody disagrees with you know, you know, Charlie Kirk or anybody for whether it's on the political grounds or anybody anything for that matter. You know, shouldn't we look at a big picture like you know that you know, the name of Jesus is being lifted.

12:48 Speaker 2: You know, people all over the world are hearing the gospel, like you know, I'm seeing even people the news outlets which are like you know, actually Hindu based in India, they had no choice but to cover this, even though they covered it in a negative light, but the message still went that you know, she forgives him or the gospel being preached like she says it because of Jesus. So, you know, shouldn't we have that right perspective? Like what is your message? Like my heart really goes out, like I wish people would stop, you know, trying to you know, give more division or bring in more division.

13:22 Speaker 4: You know.

13:23 Speaker 2: See you're from the Reformed Church background. I'm from a mix of the Methodist and Charismatic movement. You know, I really want that kind of you know, a place where everybody of different backgrounds, everybody coming together to glorify Jesus. You know, we want that, Like how do you think you know we can have that kind of a perspective instead of being divisive as a society.

13:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I will say that if I'm not mistaken, I know that denominations were not made by God. They were actually made by man, and so I used to think it was just preferences. Oh, you know, there are some people who don't want to collap there are some people who want to like really tumble and dance things like those. But there were these minor things that people didn't agree with, and sometimes it has become a reason for people to divide. But you know, at least in the Christian denomination or I won't say Christian, in the Christian faith or in Christianity.

14:25 Speaker 3: What is important is that we are one in the big things. And then like knowing that Jesus is God, there that the Trinity, that there is the Trinity, and there are one. If we believe that Jesus died on the cross, but he rose again after three days and he'd defeated death, those are the major things. If we can agree on that, then that is what's important. We we are on the same team, I will say that. And if we are, if there are little things that we don't agree with, that's not something that is as we say, it's not selvific.

15:07 Speaker 3: If we agree on those big things that I mentioned earlier, that's what matters. And as we are at the same team, may we have that same mission of yes, following or doing the great commission, which is to as I think it's in Matthew twenty eight Verses nineteen and twenty or it says, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. So that is God's God's great commission. To us, and as my pastor said, it's not the great omission, it's the great mission, and that's something that we definitely have to do.

15:48 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was such a great example for someone who does what the great commission is to go out there purposely, go out to especially the young adult and because he's on of his social media presence, it's affected even young adults like older adults. So you know, he just he did it and maybe be inspired by that.

16:14 Speaker 2: That's so good, that's so good. So this is when he was assassinated. This happened in the middle of the night here in India, and uh but still I got a vision exactly at that time of him coming over and saying, I fought a good fight of faith. Now you go do the same without fear. At the same time it happened in the middle of the night, I take my phone out and I checked that that was exactly when he had passed out.

16:40 Speaker 4: Passed away.

16:42 Speaker 2: So I'm like, you know, you know, we're not idealizing Charlie Cook. But the truth is the message is that you know he you know, fought the good fight of faith, you know, and that you won't believe ever since then after this encounter, I was like, I was really shocked because, like I said, you know, like you don't expect something like that at that point of time. I mean, and uh, that that is when I was like, you know, like you said, you know, we have to be more bold and more woker, Like you know, I'm not here to be another Charlie Kirk or you're not here to be another child.

17:14 Speaker 2: I mean in a figurative sense. Yeah, we're raising Charliekirk's that's that's a statement people are making. But we're not here to copy him. Like you know, he was good in debates. I'm very bad at debates, you know, but I'm good at what I'm called to do.

17:29 Speaker 4: You know, like my gift is to speak.

17:32 Speaker 2: I'm also known as one of my unique things is called as the Scooby Doo pastor. Okay, I always I'm actually a record holder for Scooby Doo, and I use Scooby Doo as one of my tools in ministry. Wow, it's a it's a very unique thing. And now you know, ever since this, I've been even more vocal or bold in using that tool. Now Charliekirk used politics. Now I have a heart for politics, but not to become a politician assage. But I have a heart for Scooby Doo, and so I'm using that tool. Like how so I always tell people, you know, like whatever means or tools God has placed on the inside of you, like what gifts he has given you, what strengths he has given you, what what burden.

18:12 Speaker 4: He has given you, go for it?

18:13 Speaker 2: You know. You know, we met through the Christian Utibus group and I met someone else. I'm trying to connect with this person. I think you might know this, Like I came to know that she started a YouTube channel after this Charliekirks thing. I know a lot of people started this, and I was like, I really want you know more of such things. We're not, like I said, we're not adalyzing him or you know, you're not glorifying like that's not the case.

18:39 Speaker 4: But we are also not.

18:41 Speaker 2: Being blindsided by the by what God is doing right now.

18:45 Speaker 3: You know.

18:46 Speaker 2: Now in a sense sometimes you know somebody who was saying, John, are you making these videos, especially talking about the vision and encounters? You know, are you doing this to capitalize on Charlie Kirk's dead? I said, See, I made it very clear I'm not doing this trying to build my empire on him, you know what I mean. But at the same time I was when I was praying about this, you know. I don't know if you saw Torrent well, So he made a video where he said he was about to release a song very much in line with what's happening, and he said people might ask, am I capitalizing on this?

19:19 Speaker 2: In one sense no, but in another sense yes, because now is the need when people are going to be receptive to this message. And so that's that's the heart behind me doing what I'm doing right, Like, you know, so we need to like instead of you know, have they having all of these senses like what if I'm capitalizing? What if you know, what if people think like what is your message? Like you are dealing with young people and all of that. You know, how what what kind of challenges do you face, like or questions do you face because you're in the young adult ministry like on the ground, what what is the mood of the people or what what what what do they feel?

19:58 Speaker 2: Or how are you handling those challenging questions like if someone asks like why did God allow this happen? Or you know, how are you dealing with that and still telling them be bold and you know, fight the good fight of faith.

20:12 Speaker 3: So I want to go back to what you mentioned about like idolizing Charlie Kirk, and I do believe that we hadn't. There's an encounter like that in the Bible where Paul was saying, or I think he was telling a congregation, don't look at me like I'm a god. It's more like you can follow me because I follow Christ. And if anything, if Charlie were still around, I think that he would he might say the same thing. You might be following me, but not because of me, but because I follow Christ. And so he still brings it back to Christ himself, and may that be the same for us.

20:53 Speaker 3: We're not I mean going back, I don't. It's I think because many people around the world are affected by what happened, this is the time for us to minister, and it's I don't want to think about it that way. You know that we're capitalizing on someone's passing. But then it's what people right now are hungry, and they are there are people who are have they've been softened to hear the gospel. You know, they saw the difference plainly in front of them, the difference between good and evil. And they know that there is good and evil.

21:34 Speaker 3: So where does good come from? Where does evil come from? I mean, that's where you know that God exists. Because if there is not a moral standard that is followed, you wouldn't be able, you know, where would the thing is? You wouldn't be able to live. There would be no purpose of living if there was no standard of what's good and what's evil. And so another thing I do also learn from Ray comfort he's a pretty good, good one when he also goes out to young adults. He goes to schools as well, and he focuses on sharing the gospel to them, to the young adults.

22:13 Speaker 3: So with that, one thing he says is that one way he can prove that God exists is just looking around you. Look at that building. That building has a builder. Look at this piece of art. That piece of art did not just come out of nowhere. There was an artist that made that this creation. It won't happen. It won't happen if there was no creator. Yeah, and so you know, we always that it makes so much sense, whether you use the Bible or whether you use your common sense it's such a simple way to explain that without a creator, there would be no creation, and that creator is God.

23:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so in terms of well, I haven't been talking to a lot of young adults, but in terms of at least the people around me, you know, well, I'll share more of my my husband's experience. And yes, my husband, he's usually not very outspoken. He speaks, of course, he talks to people who are who he knows, but when it comes to like quote quote unquote controversial issue, he's he's not very talkative about that yet, he's not very vocal. But this time when he actually heard that someone was saying, well, I mean it was it was probably Charlie Kirk's fault why it happened, and my husband couldn't help it, like there's a fine line between good and evil, and he can't help but speak up.

23:56 Speaker 3: You know, he had to speak up. He said, no one should be you know, should lose their lives just because of sharing their having different yes, sharing their ideas, having a difference in opinion. And so he's become a little more vocal on that, but also just in life, you know, he's become a little more outspoken in a sense where someone is discouraged about something or some one of his co workers is complaining, and what my husband would say is to have a mind shift in perspective. You know, she would say something like, let's say one of his work work his colleagues was complaining about another colleague, and then my husband, when it would say, you know what I mean, you can be thankful actually that she's actually doing her job pretty well.

24:49 Speaker 3: She has, she actually cares about getting work done. And then his colleague said, I think you're right. Yeah, so he's not just become more vocal about his opinions, but also in shifting people's mindsets. So that's one on his Yeah, definitely, there's also that's one side. But also in terms of the atmosphere, I think that people have become a little more. People have seen people more like humans. You know, with the social media age, people tend to look at people, especially on other people rather on social media as you know, they're dehumanized because they're on there in front of the screen.

25:35 Speaker 3: And if people have when when people have different opinions, they tend to be seen as I don't know, some sort of object or just someone who doesn't exist. For I don't know someone who doesn't have life. But that's not true. You know, especially here in America, we come from a lot of different backgrounds, We have from different cultures. But the thing that makes America beautiful is that we are able to come in this country and hopefully adapting the values that our forefathers had, and with that adapting, then we can be immunity.

26:16 Speaker 3: And so I'm hoping that with this that happened, yes, that a revival would come in a spiritual revival, but also I hope that more people would continue to be hungry for the Gospel, and aside from that, churches would be more open to talking about things related to culture. So with regard to that, there is a mix. I will tell you there are churches that are very receptive of newcomers and they are there to disciple, to comfort those who are in need, who are hurting. But there's also this side of there are also people in the church, or rather there are some churches that don't want anything want anything to do with the politics side of things.

27:04 Speaker 3: Yes, so there is that, but you know, there are also people who are calling out these churches where I mean there are people in the Bible there was Daniel, there was Esther, there was Yeah, Jeremiah. These people they were advisors, there were prophets who would rebuke kings, right people in power, and so they were involved in politics. So if if Christians don't get involved in the political world of the country, then what's going to happen to it? Non godly values will become law and we're going to lose the country in terms of its values.

27:50 Speaker 3: And how amazing. I mean, I'm American, so I am so I love this country. So yeah, it makes I'm I'm talking about now, I'm talking about how we can make a difference, right and as a church. But yes, I'm it's very important that the church gets involved.

28:11 Speaker 2: That's so true, because that's that's been my heart as well. Right, you know, sometimes I see that, you know, like people want to be like, oh, you know what, I'm a Christian. I go to church, I get my checklist done, I read the Bible, I pray.

28:24 Speaker 4: All that is great.

28:25 Speaker 2: I'm not denying that. But the point is God has called us to be the light in the darkness. God has called us to you know, it'll be the salt of the earth. God has called us to, you know, like preach the gospel, you know, and preach to gospel is not going to happen, like when you're expecting somebody to come to your church. Sometimes No, I think somebody said this about Charlie Kirk itself in the in the in the conference that you know he his heart was like using politics as the tool to talk about Jesus, like bringing them to the source that is Jesus.

28:56 Speaker 2: Something I'm not I'm paraphrasing what they meant, but that's what they meant in a sense, Like how like I said about I use Scooby Doo or I use comedy or I use politics. You know, we as believers should be open to using all means, you know, like I think the apossible said this, right, like by all means, I'm glad as long as Jesus is preached, whether the person who's preaching how they're preaching it may not be as okay with you, right, you know, like in the sense someone may some people criticize me, why he bring Scooby Doo into the sea, But you know, like the same way people could have criticized Chalka, why is he bringing politics into the church.

29:34 Speaker 2: But we have to make I think there's something called the Seven Mountains of Influence. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's basically that we should not just be pillars of influence in you know, like just being in the church, but rather go out into the political space, the art space, the you know, the entertainment industry space, you know. For me, I've even interviewed Hollywood actresses two times on my podcast you know who also have Christians. Even about two weeks ago, I interviewed an actress I'm here to release that out.

30:07 Speaker 2: She's an Emmy Award winning actress who's also a believer. Now I can't go and keep checking their exact specifics of theology before coming the interviewing them. But my heart is if she's a believer and she's sharing the gospel in you know, Hollywood, that's what I want. You know, we keep complaining that politics is bad. We ken complaining Hollywood is bad. But if we don't support or pray and walk towards being the light in Hollywood or in you know, the political spectrum, the problem is with us.

30:41 Speaker 2: So that's the reason I really want to say, like you said, you know, we at church should be involved within our own capacity. Now I can't go and canvas, you know, on the street. If I can't do that because of my work and schedule, I can do with the platform that I have. So that is the way we need to utilize, whatever it takes. I looking at the time, I just want to ask you two more quick questions. One is what was the most noteworthy moment that you had in this rally? I mean the memorial service? Memorial service?

31:13 Speaker 2: What was.

31:15 Speaker 3: So about that? Definitely was Erica Kirk's speech. Yeah. So one thing that I've always thought about whenever I think about Erica and Charlie's passing is her kids and seeing despite what she's going through, seeing how strong she is, but also being able to show her her soft side, being vulnerable. I did feel like we were family. I felt like we were family. She didn't just do announcements when she did her speech, but she mentioned how her marriage with Charlie worked. She mentioned what it meant to be a man, what it meant to be a woman, a godly man and a godly woman, and how their story was a blessing to themselves.

32:14 Speaker 3: And she did not cower over saying things that were godly, even if she was talking to people all over the world who had different backgrounds. She just shared what was in her heart, and what was in her heart was the principles that would lead people to God, because definitely a life with Christ is what will make a good outcome out of your life. That He is the supreme meaning of life, or He is the supreme purpose of life. To worship God, and in everything and every aspect in her life, she prayed, she consulted the Lord, and she mentioned that in her speech.

33:00 Speaker 3: And it's not just something that she just says and preaches, quote unquote, but it's something that she practiced, and she just wanted to show not just in word, but even what she did, which is to forgive her husband's killer. I mean, honestly, I have my own video on this, but I did say that one thing I wished or I hope for her, is that she would forgive the person, the young man who killed her husband, because if she would run TPUSA, having grudges, having anger, having hatred in her heart, it might not glorify the Lord as and it might not grow as she desires.

33:51 Speaker 3: But knowing that she let go and she gave it to the Lord doesn't mean that she is I mean personally she has forgiven. But then you know he will the young man will still you know, the justice system will work yeah in him. So at least personally, she has no baggage, no burden in her heart toward this man. I'm sure if she would actually see that person face to face, the man face to face, she would actually share the Gospel to him. And I'm confident of that. But that really made a difference in my in that in my attendance of the event, that was the moment where I really balked.

34:39 Speaker 3: I cried because I wanted to hear that, and it made me closure.

34:46 Speaker 2: That's so good. This morning, I was seeing the update that somebody else I don't know who it was. I didn't get the heading. He said he struggled to, you know, forgive his eyes or her I think it's a his his father's killer for sixty years, but seeing what Herika did in ten days, he has decided to forgive. So I was like just imagining even the day she did that, I posted that, you know, how long will you? I mean, if she can forgive someone in ten days, how long are you in hold on to grudges? You know?

35:23 Speaker 2: At the same time, I'm seeing so many. I mean, like you said, we can't speak to the heart of a person. We don't know that. Only God can judge, but we can look at the fruit of it. I think that, you know, when we look at the fruit of this, it was like one of them was saying that, you know, it's like bringing, you know, bringing the Holy Spirit to trump rally. It was like, you know, it was like the worship was so powerful, the anointing, and everybody nobody spoke ill of you know, the person, like even nobody spoke ill of even the you know, the assassin.

35:57 Speaker 2: You know, everyone was speaking, you know, like you know, because everyone's heart is that even that assassin should come to know the Lord Jesus. And that fruit is seen all over, like seeing so many people going to church for the very first time, reading the Bible for the very first time, or in a long time, in twenty years, forty five years. So when I look at all of that, I think the fruit speaks in itself, and it's amazing. Last question is you said you had a chance where you saw Charlico cup close.

36:27 Speaker 2: Can you talk about that when he spoke at an event where you were a part of.

36:33 Speaker 3: Yes, So I was actually able to go to a church in Calvary Chapel. Its Calvary Chapel is a pretty big church in California, and he was ministering in one of the branches of that church, which is in Golden Springs, which is in Summer in Orange County, close to Disneyland. That's what I always say. But yeah, so I did not get to meet him in person, like I mean, sorry, not in person, but rather I did not get to speak to him or to shake his hand. But I did get to be in the congregation where he spoke. The pastor gave him the time that he as if he were the pastor for that day.

37:20 Speaker 3: He's spoken all three services, and I went to one where he was big on giving defense to have an actual Bible, like a handheld one, not your phone. So he was arguing having an actual Bible. And also there were many issues that he mentioned. But it is that principle of bringing faith in politics. And I mean, there's this quote where we say separation of church and state state, but that is out of context. I'll say that, but I don't. I'm not gonna talk too much about it unless you want me to. But then at least in our lives as Christians.

38:07 Speaker 3: He mentioned that we have to make it we are, yes, going back to what you said, we are salt in light of the world, and we have to make a difference in every aspect of life, including politics. So that's he. I encountered him more like a teacher or a preacher rather than up close like we were friends. But I will say that the reason why I came to know him like as a person is through my uncle whose church was also hosting him. Okay, yes, so ever since then, whenever I would like to get a Christian perspective of what the political events that are happening, or big events that are happening, even his opinions on the NFL things like those, I would like to hear his perspective.

39:02 Speaker 3: And yes, he has strong ideas, doesn't It doesn't mean that I that I that I agree with everything that he says, or that I would just believe everything he says. But then he shares his opinions and then it helps me to uh form my own yes, to process it and to form my own opinions. So again, it's not it's not like he Oh, it's not like he is. What do you call this the word indoctrinating or he's not imposing his beliefs on me. It's just that he's sharing his opinions. And then you know, at the end of the day, I have my own ideas.

39:41 Speaker 3: Another thing is, since we're talking about my encounters with him, and again it's not personally like in front, face to face. But then another event where I followed him was during the election night. You know. Yeah, so during the election night he was one of my sources and I just knew that he was a big part of that of campaigning, helping out young adults, especially to open their eyes to different issues that they care about. And with that, when he when the I'll just say it, when Trump won, I saw his reaction, him crying, and all he can say is, I am humbled.

40:33 Speaker 3: It's all by the grace of God. He did not claim it as his own doing why he won, or why Trump won, but he claimed said it's by God's grace or you know, God's mercy on the country.

40:49 Speaker 4: That's so good.

40:50 Speaker 2: And you said that he was very tall or something.

40:55 Speaker 3: So the thing is that on TV or let's say, on your social media, you would see that he is he's sitting down, you wouldn't really see him standing up very much. But when I saw him speak like as if he's a pastor, it's like he is so much taller in person. So that's the big I guess, the closest encounter that I've had of him in person but never close to each other, like face to face, like meeting, Yes, meeting him, but yes, definitely he seems taller than what I would think, especially when I see him on social media.

41:34 Speaker 2: That's so nice, that's so nice. I know we covered a lot of things. I mean, just do smarized the in part what he was sharing. I do know about the you know, separation of church and state is basically about making sure that state does not be involved in the churches. But people have made it the other way. Now, okay, you know, but so and he spoke about all of these things, and you know, like even the election when you sheard to be honest, like even for me, it was the middle of the night for me, right, but the whole night I was led to pray and intercede and I was raising indecessors to pray.

42:14 Speaker 4: So when he won.

42:15 Speaker 2: The election, I was at work and I started crying, and my colleagues thought that I'm crying because he lost.

42:25 Speaker 2: But you know, so I saw Charlie's reaction. He was also in mood because he played a major role. Even in Arizona being a swing state, he was able to win it, and so grateful, you know, like to see what the lawd is doing in the US and because and around the world, you know, like what happens there. Like you know, typically even in entertainment in CDC this, you know, if a movie does really well in Olliwood, it does really well everywhere in the world. So if Revival starts in US, it will start all over the world.

42:59 Speaker 2: And I'm seeing that. So we'll just pray that God will continue to do that. Can you just close with a word of prayer for the family, you know, Erica and the children, because I really feel that compassionate hard for them. Pray for them, and also leave with a word of prayer for.

43:18 Speaker 4: You know, like Revival. I'll pray for Revival.

43:21 Speaker 3: You pray for this, Okay, I'll pray for the family. Yes, yeah, okay, so let's pray. Heavenly Father, we thank you again and again for this opportunity that we got to speak. Thank you Lord for just technology. Thank you that we could use it for your glory. And right now, Lord, we offer this even this podcast. Lord, thank you Lord for letting this happen, for giving the heart to John to start this podcast. And I know Lord that there if it's not just one person, it's two people or maybe a thousand people who are hearing the messages that you are imparting onto him.

44:03 Speaker 3: And Lord, may you continue to use John through this podcast. And Lord, right now we just pray for First of all, we pray for Erica. Thank you, Lord for how strong that you have made her become, that she is becoming more and more dependent on you during this season. But we know Lord that on the human side of things, she is hurt. There's some hurt, and there's a lot that she has to carry even just being a CEO of TPUSA, the new one, and there's going there's going to be so many adjustments that have to be made.

44:37 Speaker 3: I pray Lord that you were you would give her wisdom. Lord. We know God that yes, there are many things that we feel like we can't handle, but Lord, you will carry us through. We know God that you are going to carry through Erica. We know that you are going to use her as not just the boss of TPUSA, but you are going to use her as a good mother to her, to her daughter and son. Lord. I pray the Lord that you would continue to inspire her. I mean, you can meet she continued to be dependent on your Lord in every aspect of her life.

45:17 Speaker 3: Right now, Lord, I pray that she would always seek mentorship and wisdom from people who are older than her, that she would always be accountable to someone, that she would have people that will just envelop her with would love, and I pray the Lord that there would always be people that would care for her. I know a Lord that based on what she's been sharing and the people who've been in the memorial service, there are going to be people who will help them out. And I pray that you would continue to give them the strength to be there for her, not just as a friend, but as a sister in Christ.

45:55 Speaker 3: I pray the Lord that you would just continue to be with everyone who is affected, a specially the tp USA, the staff, and just people who have become family to them. I pray that they you would all discomfort them, and even for all of us, Lord, who are affected, who've shed a tear or even cried, who who have whose whose lives that Charlie Kirk affected. I pray that you would you would be with all of us, Lord, that we would we would be able to uh to find joy even in the suffering, even in the tribulation.

46:27 Speaker 3: Lord, I just know God that You're going to do something great. And even if we mourn, even if we're sad, but we can be joyful because we know, Lord, where Charlie is, where his soul is, and he's not in that body anymore. He is there with you and he's enjoying just having conversations with you or being with other people uh in the faith that are up there too. I pray o Lord, that Erica would continue to be comforted by that. So thank you, Lord for all of that.

47:00 Speaker 4: In Jesus name. Amen.

47:02 Speaker 2: Amen, I'm just going to pray for the revival.

47:06 Speaker 4: Lord.

47:07 Speaker 2: We pray in the name of Jesus. Lord, we thank you for what you're doing, and we continue to believe, decree and declare, let revival flow in the name of Jesus. Let this be the dawn of something new.

47:19 Speaker 4: Lord.

47:19 Speaker 2: We believe as the scripture says that when a seed goes to the ground and dies, it brings forth multiple or amazing you know, multiplication of results and fruits, and we want to pray for that in the name of Jesus, that this is not going to go in vain. That you're going to raise people to be bold like Hannah shared about her husband being more bold and vocal. Lord, we thank you for such testimonies, and we pray that many many more souls will be bold enough to share the gospel, to preach about the Word of God, and we're going to see amazing results.

47:53 Speaker 2: In the name of Jesus, Lord, we thank you for this time that you will bless each and every person watching listening from across the glow, that you will challenge them to be bored to fulfill the call of God upon their life. We give you the glory on an embrace in Jesus name.

48:10 Speaker 4: Amen.

48:11 Speaker 2: Amen, guys, thank you so much for watching. I encourage you to like, common, share, and subscribe. If you're watching this on YouTube, or if you're checking this out on any of the podcast platforms, I encourage you to leave a rating. And Hannah, you also have a YouTube channel. We've not spoken about it before. Guys, I'm going to put her YouTube channel the link to it on the description. I encourage you to check that out as well. Do you mind just sharing a bit about what is your YouTube channel and for those who want to check it out?

48:44 Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, so thank you by the way for mentioning. Well. My YouTube channel is called Hope in Future Bible Devotions. It started during the pandemic and the whole purpose of it was to encourage people who were down because no one was talking about their struggles during the pandemic. It started there and I said, you know what, if people don't want to talk to me, because I presented myself, I said, hey, guys, if you want to talk to me, go ahead. I'm I'm here, I'm here to I'm here for you. No, not a lot of people came came and opened up.

49:16 Speaker 3: So I said, you know what, I'm just going to bring it to them. And so Hoping Future Revival Devotions came about and it continues until now and I hope. I thank you Lord, by God's grace, it is still being used by to inspire people.

49:32 Speaker 4: That's so good.

49:33 Speaker 2: That's so good. Guys.

49:34 Speaker 4: Check it out.

49:35 Speaker 2: And last word, do you have any word that you would like to say about how about this podcast and my ministry and YouTube channel.

49:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I will say that we are we mentioned earlier. We may come from different backgrounds, different denominations, as we called, but we are team. We are a team because we we have the same purpose, which is to lift the name of Jesus Christ. And so I know for sure with how I've been what I've been encountering with John for the few days that you've known each other, I can hear his heart that and we have the Holy Spirit that can discern what is right. And I honestly, right now I feel that I can just discern at least that John's heart is in the right place and he wants to lift up Christ.

50:29 Speaker 3: So yes, I will say, keep on using your platform for everyone else, I encourage you to keep on supporting, keep on learning from this podcast, and may it be mine or his, but definitely right now, I hope that you are encouraged by John's podcast.

50:50 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you, Thank you guys, Bye bye.

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