Prakruthi Angelina on Mental Health and Faith | Overcoming Anxiety, Depression & Worry | John Giftah

0:01 Speaker 1: Do you ever look around and think, Wow, the world is a crazy place and it just seems to get crazier and crazier. Ease your mind and take a break. This is Fuel for the Soul with John Gifta. We're a hub for inspirational Christian sermons, practical keys for Christian living, and Christian discussions and interviews. You'll be inspired to live the life that you were created for. Your host is a top ranking podcaster, best selling author, world record holder, aerospace engineer, life coach, evangelist, and founder of John Gifta International.

0:41 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fuel for the Soul with John GIFTA.

0:49 Speaker 2: One of the things that a lot of people love, especially in the Christian world. People find it hard to talk about is mental health. They're like, you know, you're not trusting God in a you should be more strong and things like that. And these are some things that people say, and it really reritates me a lot, especially because if somebody is not feeling well, you say, oh, let me pray for you, take care of you. But if somebody is not well in their mind, you're like rebuking them and that dements in them, and you know, stuff like that, So you know, you are into mental health, you're also a counselor, you know, and being a Christian counselor, can you give a few words about the reality of mental health and to bring that awareness among Christians that is lacking.

1:37 Speaker 3: I'm so glad we're talking about these things. Thank you for bringing this topic as well, because I think the more we have conversations about it, the more we are able to eliminate the mystery or the stigma around it and actually understand it for what it is.

1:52 Speaker 4: I think for me, I could not avoid.

1:54 Speaker 3: This because, like I said, when my dad left, everything changed and so much that we went through which we didn't have any help to deal with at that time. I mean this was in there's many many years back, and at that time there was so much stigma associated with this whole thing, even even in the non Christian world.

2:17 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, so I think that's that for me, started.

2:21 Speaker 3: Off this whole journey of anger and depression, and I was very suicidal as well at one point, and and there was no proper help to go through this either. I was like, oh, I'm demon possessed. I need someone to you know. But then I was so I mean, I was so aware of it, and I was so ashamed of.

2:43 Speaker 4: What I was going through.

2:44 Speaker 3: I thought I was literally the only Christian going through this because everyone seemed great on the outside. Everyone was like praising and smiling, and I didn't know that the enemy was using the same lies and the same kind of battles in the mind. And so there was a spiritual element to this struggle for sure, Like there's always a spiritual element, and so I'm so glad that there's different people, there's different spaces integrating you know, theology, integrating God and psychology, because for me, it was that process of looking at my struggle through the world of God.

3:21 Speaker 3: And I also took up psychology because I was just drawn towards understanding people, understanding how why our brains work like that, I myself am a very complex mind to understand myself also, and I think that journey right helped me see psychology through the lens of God's word of who God has made us to be, God's design for our minds.

3:45 Speaker 4: And at the same time, I think it's so important to.

3:48 Speaker 3: Understand the science, to understand, you know, the neuroscience, the way our brain works. There is a physical component of mental health as well, right if you find it two abstract or two who what is this? You know, we study our brain as part of the body, but we also study our brain as part of the mind. And so I think what we need to understand in the Church is that God desires wholeness for us right in.

4:18 Speaker 4: Our body, in our mind and our spirit and our soul.

4:21 Speaker 3: And we are not just a spirit, but we also have a mind, we also have a body. So a lot of Christians also believe that we shouldn't take medicines or we shouldn't do anything for our but I believe God wants holistic wholeness and wellness for us.

4:35 Speaker 4: He wants us to prosper.

4:37 Speaker 3: Three John two says, beloved, I pray that you prosper in every way even as your soul prospers.

4:43 Speaker 4: And I think that's the foundation and root of it. Like God is the source.

4:48 Speaker 3: Of our healing and our wellness and our wholeness. And I believe that we can't have true wholeness without God because He's the only one who gets right to the depth and the root right. And at the same time, I think we need to make use of the wisdom, the knowledge, the understanding that we have through science through all of these people doing amazing work and research, whether they're Christian or not, because we can learn so much from you know, one another. And so yeah, I'm not a qualified therapist, but I am.

5:20 Speaker 3: I have been in psychology for since I was in the eleventh and twelfth and for me, because of this personal journey, I think I've had that opportunity to really wrestle with these things, really understand, you know, and ask all.

5:35 Speaker 4: Of these questions. You know, how much of this is this demonic? Is this good? Is this from God?

5:41 Speaker 3: And I do believe we need wisdom and discernment, but we need to start talking about these things honestly, because like you said, it's so frustrating when you have a real problem. There's no solution anyone's giving you, but they're giving you unnecessary advice.

5:55 Speaker 4: Or help that you just need to pray more. Just are you show you if fast enough? You know, like okay, thank you?

6:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you said, you know, this is a very tricky part because sometimes when you go for help, people only say that you're not prayed enough for you're not strong in God. But but sometimes you know, even in the scripture, people did go through things you know whether it's Elijah the Mighty prophet. He brought down rain and fire from heaven. Next minute he was in a wilderness us it depression Jonah. At one point he said, I want to die. He went to that suicidal depression.

6:34 Speaker 4: Who's the other one? Who?

6:35 Speaker 2: Uh the opposite Paul in quarrinthiins he said, things were so bad I wanted to in my life. And we keep saying about job saying that. Joe was saying, uh, you know, blessed be the name of the Lord. But that was chapter too. But but then in chapter I said, you know, curse the day, you know, stuff like that. So you know they all did go through this. You know, it's not just you or it's just sometimes people have said this. You know you're pastor and you you know, I've gone to suicide, you know, depression myself.

7:02 Speaker 2: Like I'll tell you, there are different sides to this.

7:05 Speaker 4: See.

7:05 Speaker 2: One is the mental aspect, but there's also the spiritual aspect for sure, because you know, either the enemy attacks you physically or he attacks you in the mentally. Also, I've also had demonic encounters, the demonic things, and sometimes when I'm walking on the road, the you know, the enemy just wants to push me to end my life. And now I've seen that, and I know, like when I go through those swings of depression and all of those things. I think in the last four years, I think the cycles of depression increased even more and I just started battling even more and then I started slowly coming out of it.

7:41 Speaker 2: But but but that's the truth. It's people were saying, you know, you're not praying enough, you're not fit to be a preacher, and all of these things. But then I'm open to share about it because I want people to be blessed through that. Like you said, yes, it's ultimately God or heels, but you know, the Lord was reminding me while you were sharing. In Second Kings chapter twenty, when King Esakia was about to die, God gives the gave the word saying you're going to live for fifteen more years. But he also gave another command that people don't remember much, and that is, you know, he said, go and take these leaves I think fig leaves or something and put it on the ball and you will be healed.

8:19 Speaker 2: So God, yes, God is the ultimate healer, but sometimes God also uses means like this. God is the one who heal. God is the one who said, you know your healed, but he used that figlease. It's not that Fregrees had any power at that point. But you know that's why you know, maybe sometimes God uses there, God uses counseling, God uses you know, certain things that you can do. So can you shed a little bit more light on you know, people being open to taking up such means?

8:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what two very important things that you said. Right, everything is spiritual, That's what I believe, because we.

8:56 Speaker 4: Are made of spirit.

8:58 Speaker 3: We're living in the spirit realm right now we can't see it, but so much is happening in the spiritual and the enemy's only goal is to steal, kill and destroy, right Like I mean, he wants to destroy us and he will use any means necessary. And Joyce Maya's Battlefield of the Mind, I think was one of those was one of those pioneering books which really made it very clear and simple that hey, your mind is a place where the enemy can take hold off and use these things against you.

9:29 Speaker 4: And so there are many ways to tackle this.

9:32 Speaker 3: And of course prayer, of course the Word of God are very foundational to build our spiritual string, to build our spiritual muscle. But thinking that that's the only dimension, or thinking that that should be enough somehow puts this. I think that's where we've all come from, right, Like, especially our generation, we've grown up under this thing of your faith is not enough, You're not praying enough, and so you're suffering with this.

9:57 Speaker 4: How can you be a man of God? How can you be working in ministry?

10:01 Speaker 3: And then go through all of these things especially, And so I'm really grateful that you're even willing to share about those things, right, because we do two things with mental health, right, Either, like I said, either we ignore or deny it, or we think just because someone has a mental health issue, something is totally.

10:20 Speaker 4: Wrong with them.

10:20 Speaker 3: They can never be okay and God is not with them if we can go to that extent.

10:24 Speaker 4: Also, but what to demonize? Yeah yeah, yeah, that's.

10:28 Speaker 3: A real really bad thing. So let me do one thing, right, Like, I want to break down mental health wave.

10:35 Speaker 4: What is mental health? Something? I've even hard people saying, oh that person has mental health.

10:41 Speaker 3: No, we all have mental health because we all have a mind. If you, I mean, do you have a mind. Let's start there, right, what is our mind?

10:50 Speaker 4: Right?

10:50 Speaker 3: It's our emotions, that thoughts our whole experience. And so mental health is part of all of our lives, just like physical health. Right, we talk about it. That's all that it is. Right, So mental just has to do with the mind, let's start there. And so it's all to do with our thoughts, our emotions, and our behavior and things that happen in this realm.

11:12 Speaker 4: Right.

11:13 Speaker 3: And there's different levels of severity also to what we deal with. Just because you're feeling.

11:18 Speaker 4: Sad does not mean that you're depressed.

11:20 Speaker 3: If you're feeling sad, you're feeling sad, So take that emotion. You know, if you're feeling angry, we deal with emotions in therapy. We deal with thoughts in therapy.

11:29 Speaker 4: Right. So a good therapist, even if it is a Christian therapist or a non Christian, a good therapist or a counselor is not someone who's giving you just advice to fix your life. Please listen to this. Christian counselors, you.

11:45 Speaker 3: Are not sent to advise someone or tell them because I'll tell you something like pastoral counsel is good. Pastoral counsel is from the world of God, from you know, God's perspective. You minister to their heart. You're representing God's voice in their life. That is amazing. But Christian counseling is different from pastoral counseling because Christian consuling is not opening up the Bible and saying, what are you going through?

12:10 Speaker 4: Okay, I have a verse for that. Let me let me shoot.

12:13 Speaker 3: That out, let me speak that or declare that, and that should fix it. You know, there is a place for that, right like you, you believe that, I believe that. But therapy is about making space for a person to be heard, to be seen to really, you know, go through their emotions, go through sometimes their past, the trauma that they've been through, or so many different things.

12:36 Speaker 4: Right.

12:37 Speaker 3: But basically principles of counseling and therapy is that you make space for them to be heard.

12:43 Speaker 4: You help them find their own solution. As you speak about your problem.

12:48 Speaker 3: Right, so many things come up and there's much more to it, but I'm trying to simplify it. And a good therapist has to provide that space of understanding, acceptance, and safety where you're able to face yourself and see what's happening on the inside. Right, And it's so important to understand why professionals are needed in this field because you won't if you're going through something serious, right, like, you're not going to go to some random person and take whatever medicine they give you. You will want to go to a specialist in that also you will take second opinion in their opinion, and because you want to receive the best care.

13:25 Speaker 3: And I think even in the field of mental health, we are all working towards it, hopefully to try and get the best care to people.

13:35 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I think therapy. Maybe it sounds like a big word, but.

13:40 Speaker 3: And some people might think, why should I go pay someone to just go talk to them or get advice from them?

13:46 Speaker 4: But that's not all that it is.

13:48 Speaker 3: It's not supposed to be that at all. Therapists are trained in many different fields. There are trauma therapists, there's cognitive behavioral therapists. They deal with your thoughts and behavior, different forms of it. If you want to find out more, I mean, hopefully I'm also working on some resources that can help people connect to these kind of spaces.

14:11 Speaker 4: But that's the.

14:12 Speaker 3: Hope that you know, we will try and learn more about this instead of either demonizing it or stigmatizing it, or just or even denying that you need help, just even that small step to.

14:22 Speaker 4: Say, hey, maybe I need to take some help.

14:24 Speaker 3: It's not that something is wrong with you, right, or that something will always be wrong with you, but but something is.

14:32 Speaker 4: Wrong with you, right.

14:32 Speaker 3: But if you're dealing with the headache, something's wrong, you need you need help. And so it's as simple as that. So I just hope that we can all do that right to just destigmatize it and to make it not something so extreme, and also understand that there are some really severe cases where you need medical interventions sometimes and it takes a long time to you know.

14:52 Speaker 4: See breakthrough. But you know, what are you going to do?

14:55 Speaker 3: That's that's what we're dealing with as part of the broken world. And either you can or you can say, hey, God's in it with us, and let's try and figure out how we can do this.

15:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true.

15:09 Speaker 2: But in terms of mental health, like we say, okay, you know, if you have to take care of your physical health, they say certain things exercise or during this much of water and things like that. So that's good. So in terms of mental health, what are some things I mean? Of course I did speak about this earlier and I think there are a couple of points that we can come up that when you take care of your physical health, there's always uh that also is going to help you in you know, having better help mental health and all of those things.

15:43 Speaker 2: But on a counseling perspective, from your perspective, what are some habits that people can have that will help them have a good mental health?

15:53 Speaker 3: Okay, wow, Okay, So I definitely believe health is holistic, the spiritual physical, that's mental, emotional, right, and you can't neglect one without it affecting the other. And so we pay attention to all of these things. Like you rightly brought out, there is such a direct connection between the body and the mind. So many things in our mind affect our body and vice versa. And so yeah, all of that is there specifically to do with the mind. I think some good practices are Self awareness is something that a lot of us probably need to grow into, right, to learn to be connected to your body to what's happening.

16:38 Speaker 3: Most of the times, you're not even here some way thinking about future or past or something else, right, some text that you didn't get a reply for, that's what consumes are right, So just being present being connected. And there's even exercises to learn how to do that. We call it grounding exercises, right, learn how to breathe and you know, as you say breathing exercises to people.

17:01 Speaker 4: Are like, oh what, but see, we.

17:05 Speaker 3: Have to get comfortable with the truth that our body and mind and emotions and our spirit are all connected.

17:10 Speaker 4: Like practically spirit is not sitting somewhere else. I mean, I don't know spirit word.

17:16 Speaker 3: But then you know, God has designed it in a way, right that we are one being right, and a lot of these problems happen when that dissociation happens as well, and we're not connected with our minds. So yeah, being present, being aware, I think even being comfortable with journaling, talking through your emotions and thoughts really helps.

17:39 Speaker 4: And we have some amazing.

17:40 Speaker 3: Tools from the world of God as well, right, Like to take our thoughts captive.

17:45 Speaker 4: What does that mean? It's not just to say.

17:47 Speaker 3: I take all my thoughts captive right now the name of Jesus and then forget about it.

17:50 Speaker 4: It's not just that to sit down with your thoughts.

17:53 Speaker 3: And be like, okay, say I'm feeling negative about my face. For example, say I have pimples, and I'm I'm feeling Okay, what do.

18:01 Speaker 4: I do with that? Now?

18:03 Speaker 3: It's affecting me obviously, it's affecting how I feel about myself, my confidence and all of that. I can just say, I rebuke that thought in Jesus name. I can do that if it's especially I mean, strongholds.

18:14 Speaker 4: Do break in the name of Jesus. We believe that we need to do that.

18:18 Speaker 3: But it also can start with you sitting with that thought and saying, Okay, right now I'm feeling sad, I'm feeling frustrated about my face.

18:27 Speaker 4: This is the situation.

18:28 Speaker 3: And then just processing that and just facing that instead of suppressing or denying it.

18:34 Speaker 4: Right, things like that could also help.

18:36 Speaker 3: And yeah, I did a workshop recently where we kind of shared a few things like this. But I would also say, if it is getting a little difficult, don't hesitate to reach out for professional help.

18:52 Speaker 4: Because that does help to break things down.

18:57 Speaker 3: Bring in a lot of awareness, because sometimes awareness is like that some one needs to tell you from the outside you can't see somethings. But so yeah, and then there are of course the spiritual practices of reading the Word, being with God, spending quiet time. Those are foundational as well. So yeah, I hope, I hope that makes sense.

19:18 Speaker 4: That's so good.

19:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I because I spoke on very similar grounds last time, so I think especially the Avaness part and all of these things are kind of new. So yeah, it will definitely be helpful for those those of you who are watching. And also remember, like, there's nothing wrong in taking help, right Like weeple want to remind you that there's nothing wrong in taking help. You know, we're there recruities there, there are so many you know, go for the go to the right resource, like don't go to the wrong place and get into more mess, but go to the right place and you'll definitely, you know, see some positive results in your life as well.

19:58 Speaker 2: So if somebody battling depression or suicidal thoughts right now, what is your word to them? How how can they deal with it?

20:11 Speaker 3: If you're dealing with depression and suicide, it would be best if you can take professional help.

20:19 Speaker 4: The reason being, you know, sometimes with things you don't know when it can get really bad.

20:26 Speaker 3: A lot of people are also going through high functioning depression, which is you're actually not doing okay, but because we've gotten so used to pushing through.

20:36 Speaker 4: Just going ahead with life. I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.

20:40 Speaker 3: You're doing things as normal and no one may know it, but you know you're actually going through that, right and only. That's why a lot of people don't want to be in quiet spaces with their thoughts, alone with their thoughts. They try to avoid it no matter what they do.

20:54 Speaker 4: Right. So, what I'm trying to.

20:56 Speaker 3: Say is, when it comes to depression and suicide especially, it is quite serious. We don't want to underplay it and just to feel better about ourselves.

21:06 Speaker 4: We don't want to be like, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine.

21:08 Speaker 3: So it might feel really hard, it might feel scary, but reach out for help because the right resource, like you said, will be able to help you process these things, deal with these things in a better way. You don't have to succumb to the danger that is depression and suicide, because it could get dangerous at some points, right, and so it is important that we understand the seriousness of it and do reach out for help. I know finances might be challenging at some point and all of that, but think about it.

21:42 Speaker 3: Your life matters, Your life is worth it, and if you can get the help that you deserve and need. Don't let anything stop you from doing that. Maybe eight years ago I would have just said God will deliver you from depression, just keep praying.

21:59 Speaker 4: But today I really.

22:00 Speaker 3: Do understand the need to seek help and the need to really be open about it.

22:07 Speaker 4: Talk to someone that you trust.

22:09 Speaker 3: You know, there would be at least one or two people I think around, maybe not in your immediate circle if you're afraid of being teased or bullied, but do find someone that you can trust and ask for help, because it's important and you deserve that help.

22:25 Speaker 2: Especially when you think about Elijah right when he was going through the depression, the first thing he did is he cut himself off from people and he started magnifying, saying, I'm the only one going through this, you know, nobody else and all of these things, but no one of the things that you can do when you are going through that is, you know, make sure that you don't cut out from people, you know, like take intentional steps to talk to somebody, and also, you know, don't let I mean it says the scripture says that he went into the wilderness, like you know, like a wilderness of the mind is where people go to like the constantly keep thinking about it, keep thinking and keep meditating on it, like day in and day out, and what happens is you know, and they also be careful what you watch and listen during that time because I think a couple of months ago, I ended up.

23:15 Speaker 2: I mean just I was watching a documentary and that documentary was about a guy who come to suicide, and you know, the next day, everywhere I'm walking, I feel like, okay, you're going to end your life, you know, like that, you know, and then I'm like, okay, even the documentary. I just have to be careful in what I watch, you know, because if you know what is your pitfall, if you feel like you're going to be depressed if you're watching something or not just depression, it could be something that you're dealing with, like you know, if somebody is dealing with lust, okay, and if you're going to be watching romantic movies after romantic movies, it's only gonna you know, so you need to get to that place like okay, identify what is your issue and be aware of that and you know, cut it off in the route.

23:57 Speaker 2: You know, if watching something is going to have afect you, if you know, being with a group is going to affect you, or being alone is also going to affect you. Take the right steps, and that is something so important.

24:10 Speaker 3: I also want to add about depression, right, Like you said, there are things that.

24:16 Speaker 4: You can do.

24:17 Speaker 3: I mean, if it's a real struggle to reach out for help, it's really hard, especially when you're depressed.

24:22 Speaker 4: The only thing you want to do is hide, be in a dark.

24:24 Speaker 3: Room or isolate or you know, it could look different for different people as well. But I also want to say that sometimes even really small things can help, can really help you break free from it, Like in terms of like you said, watching what you are consuming content and all of that.

24:51 Speaker 4: I think I'm struggling to put language to this, so bear with me.

24:55 Speaker 3: So there are there are many different aspects of depression and then also many different types of it, and there are different ways that people experience it. So that's why my first suggestion would be god therapist, someone who actually can figure out what exactly is happening, whether it's severe, whether it is mild, and based on that they'll be able to help you navigate as well. Right, because there is that tendency on our own to either underplay it or overplay.

25:21 Speaker 4: It and then think like home losh, I'm just you know, so I think it's really important to have that.

25:27 Speaker 3: As much as I can give many tips from my personal experience as well, it may not apply to you, but yeah, start somewhere is what I would say.

25:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like you said, what worked for somebody else is not going to work for you. You know, you need to understand that individuality of what is going to be specific to you. And that is something that a therapist and spending time with God, you know, all of this together you will find that unique thing that works for you. For example, when I was dealing with that entity crisis, you know, what I used to do is to stand in front of the mirror every day and I used to quote the scriptures. I'm cute, I'm fearfully and wonderfully made, I'm made in the image of God, and all of these you know, cute.

26:08 Speaker 2: It is not a Bible verse, but anyway, you know what things about us. Yeah, so I used to say these things every single day, and that actually helped me have you know, like when I step into the world, like you know, after that, it used to really make it easy for me. Like when I was dealing with that, right, So that is something unique. Like some if if I go and tell somebody random that I did that little thing, I'm crazy. But you know what is a crazy Maybe the thing that's going to help you breakout of the craziness in your life.

26:41 Speaker 3: That's what for me, holistic wellness is so important, and I want to help people really get comfortable with dealing with their emotions. And I think that's the reason, uh, you know, I've been talking about it. Talking about my own struggles is something that you said, you know, has my brain buzzing.

26:59 Speaker 4: So I just want to.

27:02 Speaker 3: So much of our thoughts and our emotions are because of neurowirings that have happened over the years, right, like upbringing, the patterns, the things that we're around. It's not just media, it's our.

27:17 Speaker 4: Close ones.

27:17 Speaker 3: Family, parents have a very significant influence. Friends, things, people say, things we get into our brain, right, and especially when we grow up. As we grow up, so many things shape our understanding, our worldview, the filter through which we are looking at things. Right, and so say, for example, overthinking is something that is part of anxiety, yes, but overthinking is also something a lot of us do in general, right, because we've especially introverts, I think.

27:48 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe extraords also do, but I can speak for myself. You just think about everything.

27:53 Speaker 3: Right, and like, there's so many thoughts going on in your head now this.

27:59 Speaker 4: Yes, there are practical the things that.

28:00 Speaker 3: You do to change this, right, and that has to do with like the rewiring of your brain the patterns that you have, right, And so that takes takes on a process of really breaking it down and seeing, you know, how what is leading to what? Right, And I think it's important to understand this because it will give us these specific tools, Like you said to like basically what you were doing, you were rewriting.

28:30 Speaker 4: The thought patterns in your brain.

28:31 Speaker 3: You want to affirm for yourself that this is what I believe about myself, so that when the default belief that's already wired comes, you're able to have another resource and say no, no, no, no, no, that's not I might be thinking that I might have felt that in the past, but now this is what I want to believe about myself, right, And so it's important to do.

28:49 Speaker 4: That just to clarify.

28:50 Speaker 2: So the one that you talking about is to break those old patterns in your mind, right.

28:56 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, okay, because thoughts can form strong and like you said, there are spiritual ways to battle that, and there's also.

29:07 Speaker 4: Evidence to prove that we can do that by.

29:09 Speaker 3: Taking small steps to to rewire, to renew on my Bible calls it renewing on my romans, and so yeah, that's okay. That's want me to get victory over these patterns, whether it's overthinking, whether it's resorting to sadness or different things.

29:26 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Fuel for the Soul with John Gifta, we hope you were blessed and inspired to live the life that God has for you. Make sure to subscribe to the John Gifta YouTube channel for regular uploads of sermons, skits, interviews and more. Follow John Gifta on Instagram for regular inspirational posts, and don't forget to check out the best selling books written by John Gifta, Who Am I which will help you understand your identity and the latest number one best seller Unveil your Purpose, helping you discover your purpose and to start walking in it.

30:01 Speaker 1: Make sure to leave our rating and review and be sure to share it with your friends and loved ones. If you'd like to donate, you can find the PayPal link in the description, and if you'd like to invite John Gifta to speak at your event or to get more details, go to the website at www dotjoongifted dot com. See you on the next episode of the Fuel for the Soul with John Gifta. God bless you.