Skill vs Spirit-Led | John Giftah | Vivian Williams (Iconic Worship) Interview (Part 5)

0:01 Speaker 1: Do you ever look around and think, Wow, the world

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0:49 Speaker 2: But as he was saying that each of us have

0:51 Speaker 2: something different, what are the things that's unique to you?

0:55 Speaker 2: Is the fact that you have a sales background. I

0:57 Speaker 2: think you Oldiest mentioned about this. I think that is

1:01 Speaker 2: something that added value to you, even in terms of

1:03 Speaker 2: using it in the iconic worship. And I love this

1:07 Speaker 2: because you know, when I started out, I started got

1:11 Speaker 2: showed me about marketing in the Bible A lot. I'm

1:14 Speaker 2: an engineer, but a lot of marketing.

1:16 Speaker 3: Stuff absolutely on that.

1:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like, for example, when you think about David

1:21 Speaker 2: getting the opportunity to defeat Goliath. You know he said,

1:25 Speaker 2: I defeated the lion and the bad What was that

1:27 Speaker 2: he was saying? You know, these are my past successes.

1:29 Speaker 2: He was marketing himself. Or when we think about the

1:33 Speaker 2: cup batter going to the Pharaoh and telling about Joseph,

1:37 Speaker 2: he was like, you know what, he was his first

1:40 Speaker 2: client or customer. He had success with Joseph, Andiguez goes

1:44 Speaker 2: and tells somebody else. You know, it's like word of

1:46 Speaker 2: mouth marketing. So you see marketing or all of these

1:50 Speaker 2: things we think as worldly, worldly terms, but we can

1:52 Speaker 2: use all of that to bless people. You can use

1:55 Speaker 2: all of that in ministry. So do you have a

1:58 Speaker 2: face this thing where you know what this is something

2:03 Speaker 2: you can use, like even in terms of my ministry

2:05 Speaker 2: right my podcast right now, I took a break and

2:09 Speaker 2: I'm restarting this. But back in the day, it was

2:12 Speaker 2: the number one and the Christianity in India. I don't

2:14 Speaker 2: know if you knew about it, the ranking if you

2:16 Speaker 2: say so, Uh, that's how I was able to interview

2:19 Speaker 2: a lot of people like and all all of yeah,

2:22 Speaker 2: one thousand episodes. The reason I used to project that

2:26 Speaker 2: even now, if you see on my Instagram. One of

2:28 Speaker 2: the things that have pinned is the podcast ranking is

2:32 Speaker 2: not to boast, you know what I mean?

2:34 Speaker 3: Like, the one of the.

2:35 Speaker 2: Reasons I paused was, of course there was a technical issue,

2:38 Speaker 2: but the other point was where I need to show

2:41 Speaker 2: God that my idol, my podcast was not my idol.

2:45 Speaker 2: My rankings were not my idle. I was like, God,

2:47 Speaker 2: even if i lose everything, it's okay if if I'm

2:51 Speaker 2: at peace with you, you know what I mean, Like,

2:53 Speaker 2: I had to get to that place. But the reason

2:56 Speaker 2: I project that is not to boast, but rather in

2:59 Speaker 2: a marketing quite a few like even my book becoming

3:02 Speaker 2: number one best seller, I use it only to project

3:05 Speaker 2: because if you say it's a best seller, people were like, oh,

3:08 Speaker 2: let me check it out, or you know, something like that.

3:10 Speaker 2: So you can use it in the right way, but

3:13 Speaker 2: not for self grati glorification, but so that it will

3:17 Speaker 2: draw mento as card. Now, so on a similar note,

3:20 Speaker 2: how do you draw that balance using sales but at

3:23 Speaker 2: the same time you're not doing it in the wrong

3:26 Speaker 2: unethical way or something like that.

3:27 Speaker 4: I truly believe if when it comes to the growth aspect,

3:32 Speaker 4: growth aspect only the growth aspect, not the profit aspect.

3:36 Speaker 4: But if churches and ministries are run like startup companies,

3:40 Speaker 4: it'd be somewhere else today. I actually believe, you know,

3:44 Speaker 4: the growth aspects of how they use social media to grow,

3:47 Speaker 4: how they use digital ads to grow, how they prioritize

3:53 Speaker 4: few things like you rightly said, marketing and sales.

3:59 Speaker 3: Right I believe.

4:00 Speaker 4: Jesus was the best salesman in the world. You know,

4:04 Speaker 4: one of the principles and sales is always questioning. You

4:08 Speaker 4: know our answer. You always question Jesus. He did that

4:12 Speaker 4: very thing he answered. He always questioned. The coolest thing

4:15 Speaker 4: was when the Phariseason and Sara Dices were I think,

4:19 Speaker 4: being a fight with them, and Jesus said, there was

4:22 Speaker 4: this man who couldn't walk. He looked to the Pharisees

4:25 Speaker 4: and Sara season until told which is easier to say,

4:28 Speaker 4: get up and walk?

4:28 Speaker 3: All sins if we're given Yeah, you know so.

4:33 Speaker 4: I think even in our freedom evening, eighty percent of

4:39 Speaker 4: our usual audience went on a long weekend, so we

4:43 Speaker 4: didn't have the audience, and we projecting and telling five

4:45 Speaker 4: hundred people are going to come find it, are going

4:46 Speaker 4: to come.

4:48 Speaker 3: We don't know how many people will show up.

4:51 Speaker 4: And on freedom evening before that, like I think three

4:56 Speaker 4: days before that, we went to the we went to

5:03 Speaker 4: Church Street and we held a pluck card which said

5:06 Speaker 4: happy hours force four pm pm.

5:09 Speaker 3: Okay, we're holding this pluckards, come talk to us. And

5:13 Speaker 3: that's why all.

5:14 Speaker 4: The people who had drinking problem, drinking habit and usual

5:17 Speaker 4: people they came and they said what is this about?

5:23 Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, and uh, you know, I don't know. I'm

5:27 Speaker 4: interested in this. What is happy hours? So usually it's

5:29 Speaker 4: that time wearing it cheap alcohol and I know I know.

5:34 Speaker 4: So we're like, okay, before we tell you about that,

5:36 Speaker 4: why do you think it's called happy hours? We ask

5:38 Speaker 4: them a question against sales, and then they're like, it's

5:42 Speaker 4: because it's free alcohol.

5:44 Speaker 3: Is because we forgot our problems for three four hours? Awesome?

5:47 Speaker 4: You want to get to that? We want to answer,

5:50 Speaker 4: do you want to? So we asked the next question,

5:54 Speaker 4: do you want to forget your problems or do you

5:56 Speaker 4: want solution to your problems?

5:58 Speaker 3: Wow?

5:59 Speaker 4: They're like, so what if I told you there's a

6:01 Speaker 4: place where it can encounter something so beautiful and you

6:04 Speaker 4: might have a solution to your problems? Who would be interested?

6:07 Speaker 4: Then you tell them about premiumly, can you give them

6:10 Speaker 4: a caution? Yes, this is missing gospel songs and everything,

6:13 Speaker 4: but it's open to all instre to shine. Then we

6:16 Speaker 4: sell them a ticket. And these are like people of

6:19 Speaker 4: different faith who buy tickets. We're happy with what you're doing,

6:25 Speaker 4: who feel good with what they're doing, they buy their tickets.

6:30 Speaker 3: You know.

6:31 Speaker 4: So when it comes to growth aspects, I mean when

6:35 Speaker 4: I was when I was CEO of the company, had

6:39 Speaker 4: a lot of people work under me.

6:41 Speaker 3: Over there.

6:42 Speaker 4: Also, I didn't know coding, I didn't know designing. Oh here,

6:45 Speaker 4: I don't know singing, I don't know. I just managing people.

6:50 Speaker 4: So those skills. Two years I understood how to work

6:55 Speaker 4: with people, how to get work done, how to make

6:59 Speaker 4: people see a vision. Yeah you know all of those things.

7:03 Speaker 4: And yeah, those same things. Thankfully, you know, God's been

7:09 Speaker 4: trained me over there. God is using me o way here.

7:13 Speaker 2: Okay, but how do you balance between following what you

7:17 Speaker 2: call as a sales strategy versus like spiritalt like in

7:22 Speaker 2: the sense what I mean is sometimes being on YouTube

7:25 Speaker 2: for example, Okay, this is a constant thing that happens. Now,

7:29 Speaker 2: let's say there was this quote unquote something you know,

7:33 Speaker 2: like wokeness that happened in Olympics, for example, right like

7:35 Speaker 2: last year and twenty four. So if I were to

7:39 Speaker 2: use the Olympic thing, you know, I can go viral

7:42 Speaker 2: if I use that. But at the same time, as

7:45 Speaker 2: an individual, or let's take a recent example, right there

7:48 Speaker 2: was this pastor who quote unquote was caught into some

7:51 Speaker 2: sexual thing and stuff like that. So the minute anybody

7:56 Speaker 2: posted anything with that past's name, you know, would get

7:59 Speaker 2: a lot of views. And if I could use it

8:02 Speaker 2: to get views, I could have done it easily. But

8:05 Speaker 2: then I just can't do that. But I would come

8:08 Speaker 2: to a place where like, let's pray for so and so,

8:11 Speaker 2: you know, let's have this perspective, let's have this so

8:15 Speaker 2: you know, it's like a thin line between you know,

8:18 Speaker 2: making sure you're not just trying to be like the world,

8:21 Speaker 2: trying to use that tool just to get views, but

8:25 Speaker 2: you're making sure that you're guiding people to us the

8:28 Speaker 2: right path, even if it means it hurts your channel.

8:31 Speaker 2: Like for me as a YouTuber on YouTube, it hurts

8:34 Speaker 2: the channel because if somebody comes in, like they want

8:36 Speaker 2: to expect you to bash that pastor, they would love

8:39 Speaker 2: to watch that video, but when they realize you're saying,

8:42 Speaker 2: let's have a different perspective. Let's they're not going to

8:45 Speaker 2: watch for long. It hurts the view, it hurts the retention.

8:49 Speaker 4: One thing is I would never build my success on

8:55 Speaker 4: someone else's.

8:55 Speaker 3: Stimulation exactly, so we can't do that principles.

8:59 Speaker 4: For example, today, what if you for the name of

9:02 Speaker 4: getting viral, if you're sorry to say, like if you're

9:06 Speaker 4: what you say, if you can get into any nonsense today, yes,

9:10 Speaker 4: a lot of nonsense. But our mission, our goal is

9:14 Speaker 4: not just to get viral, because there a lot of

9:16 Speaker 4: people who are viral, yes, have no influence exactly, no insluence,

9:20 Speaker 4: who are not building the kingdom. So everything has to

9:23 Speaker 4: have that perfect balance.

9:25 Speaker 2: But that's why my prayer has always been, like God,

9:30 Speaker 2: more than viral. My focus is on impact, you know,

9:35 Speaker 2: like whether it gets viral or not that second, but

9:37 Speaker 2: then the impact somebody watching that they should get leave

9:42 Speaker 2: with something, you know, even if it's Sometimes the weirdest

9:46 Speaker 2: of videos do well for me. Recently, I think I

9:49 Speaker 2: posted about there was some very weird video like I

9:52 Speaker 2: don't know if you checked it out, like of me

9:54 Speaker 2: just my body. I mean, no, what is that?

9:58 Speaker 3: I said?

9:58 Speaker 2: My soul is leaving my body. It was this a

10:00 Speaker 2: weird graphic. I just posted that, and then I've posted

10:04 Speaker 2: like if you are you willing to meet Jesus if

10:06 Speaker 2: you died or something like that, and it led to

10:09 Speaker 2: a lot of people asking a lot of questions. Even

10:11 Speaker 2: in my workplace, people were like, you know, asking about

10:14 Speaker 2: life after death. There were people who send me messages

10:17 Speaker 2: like I'm really confused, what about this? And then I

10:20 Speaker 2: also directed them to one of the interviews I did

10:22 Speaker 2: with past John Burke is an expert in near that experiences,

10:27 Speaker 2: so that you know, like that is what I really

10:31 Speaker 2: feel should be the focus, right, like not just being viral,

10:35 Speaker 2: but how can you lead them to think or transform them,

10:38 Speaker 2: leave them better? You know, even this conversation, that's how

10:41 Speaker 2: every aspect I wanted to make sure that you know

10:44 Speaker 2: it people leave like even if they are going to

10:47 Speaker 2: watch segments of this interview, they should learn something out

10:51 Speaker 2: of it.

10:52 Speaker 3: You know.

10:52 Speaker 2: That's the heart behind this whole.

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